Mafia #70: The Time Vortex

[Zaffy]

Zaffy, why are you bringing this up? How does this help the town? Do you suspect JL?

Yes, I suspect JL. He's good enough to play us all for fools. He's willing to sacrifice teammates/himself to win. He's always someone to watch out for.

 

[Lab_Rat]

I'm saying I think it's interesting that JL echoed some sentiments that Kash (known scum) and RB (supposed confessed scum?) had.

I included my own post for completeness. I'm not claiming to be naughty at all.

If I were the one shooting from your list of 3, I'd pick JL, followed by Ogre, then Wiz.

Kash has been commenting on the rules from the start of the game. JL also has me suspicious and wouldn't be a bad shot.

 

[jbradt]

What made you suspicious about JL, Labby?

 

[jbradt]

Zaffy, what do you think of Labby's play so far?

 

[Lab_Rat]

What made you suspicious about JL, Labby?

The fact that I can't get a real read on him and he's not seemed super helpful to the town. Of course this could be because he's a regular innocent. But I don't trust JL as far as I can throw him. JL is good at this game, he knows how to hide if scum.

 

[jbradt]

The fact that I can't get a real read on him and he's not seemed super helpful to the town. Of course this could be because he's a regular innocent. But I don't trust JL as far as I can throw him. JL is good at this game, he knows how to hide if scum.

I agree with that 100%. Ogre and Wiz both kinda made spectacles of themselves, whereas JL was very subtle even in his posting. I'm going to go back and look again.

 

[Zaffy]

Zaffy, what do you think of Labby's play so far?

I think her late move on Night 1 was pretty scummy. Could have been a brainfart, could have been something. I don't think she's an idiot though.

Since then nothing really sticks out as particularly scummy though. She has me listed as innocent, so I like that.

 

[jbradt]

I like the shot on JL.

 

[Madcrawdad]

So, how about if we get people to post lists of their top 2 or 3 suspects? Unfortunately, we don't have any more concrete evidence to go on, but with Kash's role I figure we ought to be able to come up with something. A sentence or two from each person on why they suspect who they do would be awesome.

Based on interactions with Kash, I have several people that I'm strongly leaning innocent, and I'm not sure if I want to put those out there or not. Suffice it to say that there are several people in particular whose posts I'll be reading very carefully.

I am still looking at Wiz and Ogre.

Wiz: was suspect early on for oddly aggressive play. He calmed down after a little while and looked a little more Wiz-like. His defense of Kash (yes, say what you will Wiz; that's what it looks like), and total unwillingness to even look at the possibility that I might have been telling the truth don't look good.

Ogre: hinted at being CI in his pursuit of Zs. Kash was pushing hard for him along with me at the end. On the surface this seems to clear him, but Kash is **** good. She could have done that so it would clear him, thus protecting him. I think one of the reasons that Kash got by so well this game is that there was some truth in her lies.

For my top 2:
Ogre - I don't like the pep talk that Kash gave him, it could be distancing. But Ogre's NEVER answered for the case against him from 2 days ago. Just hops on today and say "Okay, where are we at..." Not really establishing himself as town IMO.

Number 2 - I can't really say. There's a few.
Wiz - did go after JB pretty hard for going after Kash. Claims that he wanted proof from JB, but I don't recall him going hard after Ogre when Ogre guaranteed that Z was scum. Even ended up on Z at some point.

Lab_Rat - The whole "who should I vote for?" at nightfall.

JL - voted LG solely for RAT, and ended up on Z. Actually tried to push me pretty hard to vote Z. Not sure what to make of it.

FireDancer - Not a lot of posts, but some stand out as scummy. Her "I'm ready to place a vote. Does somebody have a count?" post from D1 is kinda scummy (as pointed out by LG). Last night she dropped another tell called 'gloating' when she was apparently upset with the night's events. Gloating (weird name) is basically when someone seems to get too emotional over the night's events. Brandy's "**** IT!" doesn't seem to fit her nice-girl image...it's just a game. She could be trying too hard just to look upset. Kash not mentioning her today in her list of town and scum candidates seems a little odd, too.

thought I'd check in....I agree with JB's thoughts on Ogre. I was ready to hang 'em high but Kash also had him on her top two list. Was that her plan, knowing she would get lynched thus protecting him? IDK. That is a tough call.
Wiz, I have leaning mafia based on past days play...

IMO JB and Rich are clear, and probably RB as well. That leaves me, JL, Mad, Dawg, Charlie (is he playing?), Labby and Firedancer, whom Kashta (conveniently?) neglected to add to her list...BRB..

Why is RB clear? You think scum wouldn't want to turn him for some reason?

1st Nightfall.

Looking at the posts, if Kash got stuck on HN, and RB is scum like he says he is.

I would semi-clear Chaz, Mad, Dawg, Fire, JB because they all voted HN after HN started gaining ground.

Noods and Rich are on wiz late, rich is assumed innocent, (did they get a turn after he came back to life? is it possible he came back as scum?)





Kind of a landslide on LG, at least 2 scum were on her though. Zs was the next closest, but he turned out innocent, Noods was on him.





Kash and Noods both on Zs, strike 2 on Noods.

I think Noods might be scum. I haven't looked at her posts yet though.

I think that people need to be careful even semi-clearing folks on HN. Kash was on him, and on him early. IMO there's a good chance that either one them (HN or Kash) was not communicating with the team. My guess would be that they didn't know each other, as if they did, Kash could have gotten off early enough when things started heading South for HN.

JL
Noods

Why? Because that's who Ogre claims to like?

The thing that keeps me questioning if Wiz is scum is that he was the kill vote on HN on D1. Now the only explanation I can come up with as to why a scum would do that is if he and Kash were not in communications with HN that day.

Ogre I keep flip flopping on as well because in some cases Kash was seemingly trying to protect him and other times she was ready to vote for him. However when push came to shove and Z was up against Ogre she voted for Z.

If Wiz hadn't jumped to HN, he'd be dead. Wiz jumped (and admitted to it) simply to save himself. Doesn't scream town to me.

Then you haven't played enough games to make a call, IMO.

At least not enough of those modded by RB.... Those are the only ones he doesn't gripe about.

*g/o*

Hi all. In the last 5 hours my Dad has gone into the hospital for observation (they don't know what's wrong, but something is certainly not right), my mother-in-law has told me that 1) she is starting chemo treatments again and 2) my fil is going to have shunts put in his heart next week. I have to tell hubby all of this when he gets home from work tonight. I'll read and catch up, but can't promise a thoughtful post until tomorrow *hopefully*.

*g/o*

Sorry to hear, Mrs. J... I'll hope for everything to turn out for the best.

Thanks for the clarification.

So the scum already know who the GS is. My point in asking that question was because I was wondering if it makes sense for the GS to come out. If the scum already know the GS the only people who don't know who the GS is are the innocents. If the GS comes out and posts their next shot we will have another confirmed innocent for future reference. DO NOT RC UNTIL YOU ARE SAYING WHO IS GETTING SHOT IN THE SAME POST. Then there can be no false claims. Does that make sense to anyone else?

Even with scum knowing their identity, I think that the GS should not reveal themselves to the town. Without getting into details, I think that doing so could be bad for the town.

If I were the gunslinger, my next shot would be RB. Aside from the posts he has made about the game formats we were in I can't recall any posts that would help the town.

But do you think he's scum?

OK, no one wants to post. Going to watch a movie with hnk will check the game before bed.

Bow-chicka-bow-bow... :woot:

 

[Madcrawdad]

EBWOP:

For my top 2:
Ogre - I don't like the pep talk that Kash gave him, but it could be distancing. But Ogre's NEVER answered for the case against him from 2 days ago. Just hops on today and say "Okay, where are we at..." Not really establishing himself as town IMO.