Mafia 73: Werewolf Game!

I cant remove my tag from the mobile site. it's the one that claims ff is a tree. sorry.

i'll get rid of it asap when i'm back at a real computer.

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Kashta said:
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Lab Rat then bailed off her vote against Zaffy so darned fast before she went to bed... as soon as we found out Pappy was innocent and using that as an excuse to "clear" Zaffy all the way from her highest suspect down to "nearly neutral" was not logical.

Us finding out Zaffy and Pappy were not communicating evils together in no way exhonerated Zaffy from the suspicious posts and behavior he had made himself.... as Lab Rat claimed just to explain herself. It just meant Pappy wasn't his teammate. That's why her so-called reason didn't hold up.

This made such a drastic move on Lab Rat's part seem highly scummy to me. Had her vote on Zaffy been nothing but a safe distancing vote on Day 1, then that's a reasonable explanation why Lab would have to use Pappy's confirmed innocence to sway the town into no longer suspecting her teammate Zaffy. She used Pappy's innocence to suddenly defend Zaffy like that was a foregone conclusion she had planned from the get-go...... which also supports the possibility that her vote on Zaffy WAS distancing. Zaffy, the player she voted as her most suspicious choice just a couple of hours before.
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You're still stuck on me "defending" Zaffy, who is now a known innocent...is this what a flustered scummy Kashta looks like? My reason for voting Zaffy on day 1 was I thought he and jpap were working together. When jpap turned up innocent (and hunter nonetheless), I had to revise my hypothesis and rethink things. Maybe you should try doing that. You were soooo sure both Zaffy and I were scum, and you still are trying to roll with that train of thought. I understand you're trying to use that momentum against me in your favor Kash, you got your little wolf buddy JM to help you attempt to start a train on me right after nightfall. You're scummy, plain and simple.

Plus, you haven't answered my questions...does it ruin your manicure when you transform into a werewolf?
 
Taysius said:
Alright, that was a lot to catch up on so bear with me.

First thing, Hey FF your vote count was incorrect. My vote for User was at post #787 Just wanting things to be accurate.

Second, I'm not liking how User tried to call me out on something he did himself and then completely ignores all questions I had for him.

Third, Lady G, I think you might be on to some things. I'm not going to go into detail with quotes as I don't have a whole lot of time today. Kashta's bite dodging concerns me. Also concerns me with how she went after Zaffy for thinking similar to Pappy, who were both found innocent. Now going after Lab now that Zaffy is gone after saying they were linked. I can see what you're saying about JM as well.

All that said, my list of wolves right now are Kash, JM and User. I'm thinking that User has been making weak cases against the others in order to distance himself albeit poorly. Maybe he is the alpha and it's their way of protecting him? I have concerns about Rich and Piranha as well, but they don't stand out to me as much.
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First off,please quote what you are refering to. If you didn't, then you may as well be making it up. I'm a fan of how you acuse me of doing things, but don't present any evidence to back up these claims. If you want to help the town out then you should use evidence against the players that you think are scum, not just follow JM around like a good litle pup and try ataacking me, while distancing yourself from him.
 
user_name said:
First off,please quote what you are refering to. If you didn't, then you may as well be making it up. I'm a fan of how you acuse me of doing things, but don't present any evidence to back up these claims. If you want to help the town out then you should use evidence against the players that you think are scum, not just follow JM around like a good litle pup and try ataacking me, while distancing yourself from him.
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Life lessons: Just because someone disagrees with you and/or has a pretty good case against you, doesn't mean they're scum. I personally do not see anyone following jm, other than Rich a little bit. You shouldn't call people followers, you followed wiz until the wolves bit him, and now you're following G, while she is attempting to dissasociate herself from you. So User, who do you *definitely* think is scum?
 
Kashta said:
Lady G, you've used more backwards logic in this game than any other I've seen you play.

Why is that?

(Both of these quotes come from the same post. I've split them up to address one issue Lady G raised before responding to the other.)



Of course, not. I wasn't going to move my vote just because they did. That would be pointless.

I already told you it didn't matter which one got lynched. I've been very clear about my suspicions and on everything they were based. Let the town then decide which one goes... and, maybe we'll get lucky enough to see who jumps in with a scummy vote switch.

For me to suggest the run-off in the first place and then be the one to undo it all after the town agreed would have defeated the whole purpose behind it. There's no logic behind a move like that, whatsoever.

The benefit of putting them both into a tie was so we would find out who would might come along to break that tie one way or the other.... Or... to see who jumped to save one over the other.... or even to see who bailed off of their vote and that person turns out to be innocent later on because they couldn't risk letting one or the other's fate remain up to the chance of a coin toss.

That was very important on the odd chance that one or the other was actually innocent. That would also show us who else was connected with them (or with one over the other).

Moving my vote anywhere else at any time after they were in a tie would have ruined that whole plan for us to find other scum.

As scum would have been perfectly safe just blending in with the rest of our votes were already knew we would learn very little more from that night's vote record beyond one person's innocence or guilt. So any late switch at the end of that night... like yours... would help reveal to us who else was aligned with either Lab Rat or Zaffy.

You made that jump yourself, Lady G. And THIS reason you give us to explain that away doesn't justify anything. You already knew I had no intention of switching my vote, as did everyone else.

Here's why.

The way Lab Rat was posting just before nightfall and just after nightfall caught my attention. I looked closer at her Day 1 posts after that and realized she did seem scummy as heck. Before then, I hadn't noticed anything particularly scummy that stood out... well, other than the fact that she seemed to be hiding out, laying low, making non-committal posts, etc.,... AND possibly helping to write some of Piranha's posts for him.

As you surely remember, I was also suspecting Zaffy already because he kept refusing to answer my questions to the point that I had to ask him again and again. Not being able to explain your behavior in this game and avoiding the subject when someone calls you out for it is a scummy thing to do. You were also questioning him for the same reason at that time.

Lab Rat then bailed off her vote against Zaffy so darned fast before she went to bed... as soon as we found out Pappy was innocent and using that as an excuse to "clear" Zaffy all the way from her highest suspect down to "nearly neutral" was not logical.

Us finding out Zaffy and Pappy were not communicating evils together in no way exhonerated Zaffy from the suspicious posts and behavior he had made himself.... as Lab Rat claimed just to explain herself. It just meant Pappy wasn't his teammate. That's why her so-called reason didn't hold up.

This made such a drastic move on Lab Rat's part seem highly scummy to me. Had her vote on Zaffy been nothing but a safe distancing vote on Day 1, then that's a reasonable explanation why Lab would have to use Pappy's confirmed innocence to sway the town into no longer suspecting her teammate Zaffy. She used Pappy's innocence to suddenly defend Zaffy like that was a foregone conclusion she had planned from the get-go...... which also supports the possibility that her vote on Zaffy WAS distancing. Zaffy, the player she voted as her most suspicious choice just a couple of hours before.

When someone does a sudden about-face like that and has no logical basis to back it up, that reversal of direction is a red flag. Plain and simple.

That apparent connection between them made me suspect them both as communicating evils. Therefore, if I'm reasonably certain both parties are wolves, WTF would I care which one we lynched first?

In their case and based on strong suspicions I held and having posted all the rationale behind it, and stating very clearly I wanted them both gone... one dead werewolf was just as good as the other. What difference would that have made then if Lab was lynched first and Zaffy next, or vice versa? Or even if they both swapped their votes around? If the town agreed Zaffy was the best choice, so be it. And if we agreed Lab Rat was a better choice instead, that was just as good.

I saw JB had made a brilliant case against Lab Rat right after she posted her "newly revised" scum-list to back off on Zaffy completely. I agreed with everything he said because I'd already seen her behavior the exact same way. JB made a very solid case against her. I posted as well to let everyone know I believe she's scum too and to explain why. Then the posts Zaffy started out with right after that were very suspicious, as well, so I called him out for that.

Say whatever you want and try to wiggle your way out of the spotlight for the action you took on your own initiative, Lady G. The fact remains that your claim now, trying to make this sound like you changed your vote to find out if I would change mine.... isn't even plausible, much less believable.



No sleep, Lady G, because I spend my time reviewing the thread and pulling all the posts for players I feel are acting weird, suspicious, or out of character to figure out if there's any evidence to back up what they say they are doing and find other clues that warrant questioning. I also track different player's suspects and votes... and who they seem to agree with or disagree with from one day to another. This helps me find contradictions, faulty logic, and other scum-tells. And all the time I spend doing this, whether it turns out to be productive or not, takes up a lot of time I'd otherwise use to make posts in this thread.

And unlike you, Lady G, I don't fill up this thread with useless and unsubstantiated "thinking out loud" posts where I deliberately contradict myself in the same post all the time to avoid taking a stand on anything, hoping I won't be held accountable later on, or anything else that only serves to misdirect and confuse the town.
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Ok, Kash...your the mighty perfect one with the only correct way to post/play the game. Anyone else's style besides your own is useless, pointless, and meaningless. I think maybe everyone needs to take classes from you so they can know how to play/post and mislead others while looking like we are correct about everything because we can't post thoughts unless we take hours writing it out, rephrasing, sending it to an english teacher to make sure every wording is correct and spelled right, because god forbid we miss word anything and do not make since in some all mighty great players mind.

Still with all your logic, spread sheet, well thought out, posts....guess what you were wrong.

I vote to lynch Kash
 
The fact remains, you day one say Pap and Zaff are connected. Pap was lynched and found hunter, showing they were not connected, you go after Zaff, for his vote and still "connection" to Paps posts, THAT was proven wrong (IS THAT IN YOU SPREADSHEET, and only correct way to post), also connecting him to Lab, THAT WAS PROVEN WRONG, still you connect Lab to it.
Guess, you perfect way of playing isn't working out for you so well this round is it now Kash.

Yep, I'm a little spastic, yep, I'm not exactly logical in everything I do, Yep, sometimes my thoughts may not make since to others, Yep my way of thinking is not the same as others, Nope my English writting skills, and spelling are never perfect....SORRRY that's just who I am and I can't change that, it's who I am, it's the way I am and it is what makes me, me. Not everyone is perfect Kash, not everyone has the ability to be "logical" and "well thought out" all the time. Maybe the game and world would be a better place if they could be, but I doubt it.
 
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