Is it really that bad?

[fishycat]

Honestly, dont listen to these people.

What they forget is that they're simply people repeating what they have been told by people who could afford to provide their fish with the ideal home.

You intend to move it into a bigger tank as soon as you have space right? Thats all that matters. You dont need a great filter, another ideal which people force onto those new/unsure. They come from rice patches where they have little to no current. All that matters is that you do waterchanges frequently to keep the water from becomming toxic to the fish.

People keep fish in breeding traps for sustained periods of time for sickness or hopsitalisation; It happens.

Dont let people make you feel bad, you saw a fish which you wanted, you bought it with the full intention of giving it a home in your 10g as soon as you move some things around. Just keep feeds regular, maintain water conditions and focus on getting him into the larger tank when possible.

Just dont rush it, its better it spends more time in the 1G rather than being thrown in with fish that may cause stress to it

Try to keep up, the OP's main discussion keeps going back to her 2 comet goldfish rather than the initial betta question (albeit this is the Anabantoids section, but that's no excuse for skimming the thread so lightly).

thanks Juzah

And no i'm deleting it because I am never on this forum anyway. I am on forums specifically for goldfish and another specifically for bettas. And we have all made our mistakes. So everyone acting perfect ... yeah. I like the other forums because they are nice people who care tons about the fish but also sit there and listen when you are trying your best or made a mistake and are trying to fix it in the best possible way. They dont sit there and pound you into a pulp because you made an amateur mistake. I take good care of my fish despite that I got the goldfish not knowing about care. they told me they would be fine. I learned not to trust pet store people. But my fish are doing great , growing, clear eyes , fins growing back, overly active, very good appetites and they swim and greet me. I'm not like beating a puppy with a stick ( Horrible idea as it is its what you guys seem to think i'm doing to my fish)

I gave up the hobby for months and when I rehome the goldfish I may sell the tank since I am obviously terrible at this.

I've read everything you've said here and in your two threads in the coldwater section. You're unhappy because the majority of the people in these threads have recommended you return your fish as the 10g is too small for their growth rate and swimming style. You've considered returning the goldfish, putting them in the man-made lake on your college campus, and also into a lake by your friend's house (?)... Only YOU can decide what you want to do. All anyone else can do is give their opinions - here or on other forums. Please realize, when you mention "10 gallon tank" and "2 goldfish" on any forum, someone's going to say something you won't like.

I'm sure you care about all of your pets, but to be honest, your sarcastic & passive-aggressive comments really make it difficult to take you seriously.

 

[Ballyhoo]

You can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink....

 

[blue2fyre]

Well I'm glad you found some forums that agree with you. Granted they don't seem to be good forums but it seems like that is what you were looking for all along.

Anyway to the original post, a betta in a 1 gallon is not ideal but betta breeders tend to keep them in jars with 100% water changes daily. Not much fun for the betta but they live. A betta will be happier and more active in a larger, heated filtered tank.

 

[Juzah]

So your saying, because people pamper them in ways that aren't necessary, i.e. filters, everybody should? Despite the fact that they have evolved to not need it?

Who cares how long you've been keeping fish? It doesn't mean a thing, you, nor anybody else on the forum has been recognized as a fish authority; thus you dont have the right to be so rude to people who are seeking advice.

On a side note; ive also kept fish on and off for the past decade odd, not to the extent as some as i dont have the finances to fund significantly sized tanks, but none the less, i have cared for my fish and like it or not, what i said has just as much value as what you said.

Theres no harm in keepin the betta where it is as long as its parameters are kept healthy. Hell, unless you can claim better results than the countless betta breeding farms over in asia you cant really argue that a small living space is going to have drastic effects on the fishes health. Im *not* supporting how they keep bettas, simply making the point that if a fish owner keeps his betta in a 1g tank for a short time, he's a long way off abusing the animal. IF you want to walk the path of 'its never seen a rice paddy', then i could counter 'its never seen a larger quantity of water than the 1g tank, so its not missing out is it'.

Be a snob all ya like, i wont be keeping track of the thread ;] just wanted to show the OP not everybody on the forum has their head stuffed away where the sun dont shine.

 

[Juice]

By you saying '' Don't even listen to these people'', you are proving yourself to be the biggest snob here.

Say what you want but speaking from experience, a betta sitting in stagnant water with temperature fluctuations is fin rot just waiting to happen. How do I know this? Because I made this very mistake. If one chooses to go down that road, I'd advise very large if not complete WC's ever other day or ideally every day. In a 1g tank that wouldn't prove to be too large of a task.

I will say though, the OP will see a huge difference in her betta once moved to a larger tank, say even a 5g. They become so much more active and lively in comparison to those having smaller dwellings. I was one of those that kept them in those small glass bowls without a heater or filter, and I encountered a host of problems from doing so. All I can say is having even a modest sized tank with a small heater and filter will make a world of difference to the average betta.

I myself love my bettas (they are the focus of my fish keeping) and had to learn the hard way what works best and what doesn't. Sure you can keep it alive in a 1g no problem, but is that all one would want? To merely keep it alive?

We'll continue on ''pampering'' the heck out of our fish, because it makes us feel good knowing we've done all we could to keep them healthy and happy.

Cheers!

 

[H2Ogal]

So your saying, because people pamper them in ways that aren't necessary, i.e. filters, everybody should? Despite the fact that they have evolved to not need it?

Who cares how long you've been keeping fish? It doesn't mean a thing, you, nor anybody else on the forum has been recognized as a fish authority; thus you dont have the right to be so rude to people who are seeking advice.

On a side note; ive also kept fish on and off for the past decade odd, not to the extent as some as i dont have the finances to fund significantly sized tanks, but none the less, i have cared for my fish and like it or not, what i said has just as much value as what you said.

Theres no harm in keepin the betta where it is as long as its parameters are kept healthy. Hell, unless you can claim better results than the countless betta breeding farms over in asia you cant really argue that a small living space is going to have drastic effects on the fishes health. Im *not* supporting how they keep bettas, simply making the point that if a fish owner keeps his betta in a 1g tank for a short time, he's a long way off abusing the animal. IF you want to walk the path of 'its never seen a rice paddy', then i could counter 'its never seen a larger quantity of water than the 1g tank, so its not missing out is it'.

Be a snob all ya like, i wont be keeping track of the thread ;] just wanted to show the OP not everybody on the forum has their head stuffed away where the sun dont shine.

Bettas didn't evolve not to need filtration, which occurs naturally in the waterways they inhabit. Aquarium filtration performs the same function, enabling people to keep fish in artificial settings. Whether you maintain water quality through use of filter units or daily WC, you're still having to ensure that the betta is not living in a cesspool. Providing a filtered, cycled, heated tank isn't pampering. It's good fish care.

The common belief that 1g is enough room for a betta is based in part on the mistaken belief that rice paddies, the irrigation canals connecting them, and the natural waterways of Thailand are all somehow limited in volume. Not true. They are often shallow, but they are also vast. And rich in decaying plant matter, making them oxygen-starved environments. The labyrinth organ allows anabantoids to live in oxygen-poor water — not in tiny amounts of water.

No one on this thread — or on the OP's previous threads about keeping goldfish and/or bettas — has been rude to the OP. We've been honest. And we've been blunt when it's apparent that she is not willing to listen to the help and advice she begged us to provide.

If you want to see some genuine rudeness, Juzah, re-read the last line of your post.

You can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink....

Perhaps if we led it to a rice paddy. :lol2:
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The bottom line, IMO, is that the OP has started several threads here on AC with apparently no real desire to receive any helpful advice. She said she got her first goldfish to prove that she could care for a fish, then spent a seven-page thread arguing with every reasonable response discussing whether/how to keep it. She started another goldfish thread a week later — after getting a second goldie for the same 10g tank — and continued to argue when she got the same advice as before. She started this thread asking if a 1g was sufficient for a betta — and then revealed she'd already bought the tank. Let's face it, folks, the OP is a contrarian. No matter what we say, she'll disagree, unless we simply agree with whatever she says will work for her fish. Sadly, there's not one darned thing we can do to improve their fishy little lives, because the OP will do what the OP wants. Frankly, I won't shed a tear if that includes not posting in these parts again.

P.S. Friending a bunch of you in thanks for all the laughs and advice you've given me over the last few months. I, for one, could not do without AC.

 

[Ballyhoo]

So your saying, because people pamper them in ways that aren't necessary, i.e. filters, everybody should? Despite the fact that they have evolved to not need it?

Who cares how long you've been keeping fish? It doesn't mean a thing, you, nor anybody else on the forum has been recognized as a fish authority; thus you dont have the right to be so rude to people who are seeking advice.

On a side note; ive also kept fish on and off for the past decade odd, not to the extent as some as i dont have the finances to fund significantly sized tanks, but none the less, i have cared for my fish and like it or not, what i said has just as much value as what you said.

Theres no harm in keepin the betta where it is as long as its parameters are kept healthy. Hell, unless you can claim better results than the countless betta breeding farms over in asia you cant really argue that a small living space is going to have drastic effects on the fishes health. Im *not* supporting how they keep bettas, simply making the point that if a fish owner keeps his betta in a 1g tank for a short time, he's a long way off abusing the animal. IF you want to walk the path of 'its never seen a rice paddy', then i could counter 'its never seen a larger quantity of water than the 1g tank, so its not missing out is it'.

Be a snob all ya like, i wont be keeping track of the thread ;] just wanted to show the OP not everybody on the forum has their head stuffed away where the sun dont shine.

Dude fish evolved "to not need filters" in their natural habitat where they would be provided more than 10 gallons of water for 2 gold fish. That is the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard....

 

[fishycat]

Amen, fish-sister!

Bettas didn't evolve not to need filtration, which occurs naturally in the waterways they inhabit. Aquarium filtration performs the same function, enabling people to keep fish in artificial settings. Whether you maintain water quality through use of filter units or daily WC, you're still having to ensure that the betta is not living in a cesspool. Providing a filtered, cycled, heated tank isn't pampering. It's good fish care.

The common belief that 1g is enough room for a betta is based in part on the mistaken belief that rice paddies, the irrigation canals connecting them, and the natural waterways of Thailand are all somehow limited in volume. Not true. They are often shallow, but they are also vast. And rich in decaying plant matter, making them oxygen-starved environments. The labyrinth organ allows anabantoids to live in oxygen-poor water — not in tiny amounts of water.

No one on this thread — or on the OP's previous threads about keeping goldfish and/or bettas — has been rude to the OP. We've been honest. And we've been blunt when it's apparent that she is not willing to listen to the help and advice she begged us to provide.

If you want to see some genuine rudeness, Juzah, re-read the last line of your post.


Perhaps if we led it to a rice paddy. :lol2:
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The bottom line, IMO, is that the OP has started several threads here on AC with apparently no real desire to receive any helpful advice. She said she got her first goldfish to prove that she could care for a fish, then spent a seven-page thread arguing with every reasonable response discussing whether/how to keep it. She started another goldfish thread a week later — after getting a second goldie for the same 10g tank — and continued to argue when she got the same advice as before. She started this thread asking if a 1g was sufficient for a betta — and then revealed she'd already bought the tank. Let's face it, folks, the OP is a contrarian. No matter what we say, she'll disagree, unless we simply agree with whatever she says will work for her fish. Sadly, there's not one darned thing we can do to improve their fishy little lives, because the OP will do what the OP wants. Frankly, I won't shed a tear if that includes not posting in these parts again.

P.S. Friending a bunch of you in thanks for all the laughs and advice you've given me over the last few months. I, for one, could not do without AC.

 

[Juice]

well said H20!!! Agree 110%

 

[Ballyhoo]

:iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree: :clap: