Mafia #76 Game Thread: Revenge of the Nerds

Ok, something is really bugging me about Bally challenging the role claim. Though I think she's scum, I doubt she would have done this on her own. I think she was coached to role claim, and the number one person in my mind who would do that is Ice. If PP is indeed scum and withdrawing from the game, it would put the scum team in a spot where they may be forced to counter the role claim to try and get rid of the real network guru. The role claim by JM forced their hand. This buys them a little more time (one more night) to wedgie someone.

Other things that stand out: in the beginning of the game, Ice said he was hesitant to vote for either PP or Bally since they were noobs and may be making noob mistakes. But he did put them as suspects. Now I'm thinking this is early distancing. Also, Ice hasn't harassed me, and all of my explanations for his questions he just accepts...too easily.

This now really bugs me:
Ice - what's your secret?
He brushed it off when called on it, but now, looking back, I'm pretty sure this message was supposed to be posted in the scum den.

Another one who stands out to me as scum is RB. From the games I've played with him, when he's townie and it gets to this point in the game he tends to roll over and give up. This time when I pointed out his lack of helpfulness, his response was to post 4 times in rapid succession, upping his post count. I think if he had an innocent role he'd roll and die like usual.

I could totally see Zaffy putting Ice and RB on a team together, just for lolz. I'd love to see that chat, so I really hope I'm right on that one.

DD voted Bally on day 1. Distancing move?


Here's the day 1 vote count:
Vote count:

0 FF - UN(13)
3 JB - FF(149), Bally(248) LG(346)
0 Ice - LG(164)
4 PP - Dawg(179) UN(220) Razz (228) Noods(312)
5 UN - Rich(227) Ice(251) PP(263) RB(280) Lab(297)
1 Dawg - (Mav(255)
2 DD - Jpappy(262) JM(283)
2 Bally - Taysius(265) DD(277)
1 Maverick - JB(281)
1 JM – Chill(318)


Votes in red are retracted votes.

No votes from:
Judge
Bally and DD would be spread out, with Ice, PP, and RB trying to save PP from the lynch. Now I'm kicking myself for voting UN, since I was the kill vote there, but hindsight is 20/20.


More thoughts to come, this post is getting too long and I don't want it to get confusing.
 
Ok, something is really bugging me about Bally challenging the role claim. Though I think she's scum, I doubt she would have done this on her own. I think she was coached to role claim, and the number one person in my mind who would do that is Ice. If PP is indeed scum and withdrawing from the game, it would put the scum team in a spot where they may be forced to counter the role claim to try and get rid of the real network guru. The role claim by JM forced their hand. This buys them a little more time (one more night) to wedgie someone.

Other things that stand out: in the beginning of the game, Ice said he was hesitant to vote for either PP or Bally since they were noobs and may be making noob mistakes. But he did put them as suspects. Now I'm thinking this is early distancing. Also, Ice hasn't harassed me, and all of my explanations for his questions he just accepts...too easily.

This now really bugs me:

He brushed it off when called on it, but now, looking back, I'm pretty sure this message was supposed to be posted in the scum den.

Another one who stands out to me as scum is RB. From the games I've played with him, when he's townie and it gets to this point in the game he tends to roll over and give up. This time when I pointed out his lack of helpfulness, his response was to post 4 times in rapid succession, upping his post count. I think if he had an innocent role he'd roll and die like usual.

I could totally see Zaffy putting Ice and RB on a team together, just for lolz. I'd love to see that chat, so I really hope I'm right on that one.

DD voted Bally on day 1. Distancing move?


Here's the day 1 vote count:

Bally and DD would be spread out, with Ice, PP, and RB trying to save PP from the lynch. Now I'm kicking myself for voting UN, since I was the kill vote there, but hindsight is 20/20.


More thoughts to come, this post is getting too long and I don't want it to get confusing.
I agree she was coached, Labby but coached by Ice, not so sure about that. I think Ice is a better player than to "ok" Bally putting Dawg on her list. The reason, because Ice plays a good game, pays pretty close attention, and would never be ok with Bally offering up her "innocent investigations" with someone who she formally listed as suspect... just my thought on that. Does it clear Ice, no... maybe she said she would role claim and give a list and not discuss who she might have investigated with her team, who knows... but it's sloppy if you ask me. I do feel pretty uneasy though giving a more innocent status, only because it's Ice.
 
Noods is the first one to take issue with my joke vote on Ice. Was she nervous I may have been voting for a teammate?

More on PP and Bally...PP notes that Bally was coached before. JM questions him on this and PP brushes it off with saying he made an assumption.

Also, post #459 Ice gently questions Bally, then lets her get away with a weak answer...very un-Ice like.

Wanted to pull this post on DD from jpap:
DD- I still stand by my D1 vote for the same reason. That post was a bunch of fluff and it's weird she has never said anything about skimming my posts. Instead she gets defensive and turns around on me saying there was other things I should have picked up on...yet she didn't either...she has also taken off on the Jm thing. I'm not saying that is scummy in of itself but possibly some distancing going on here.

DD is giving me a bad feeling, it's so hard to tell with her, being the Queen of skimming and all, and her limited time to play during the work week. I know she's easily able to hide as scum with those excuses. Now if they forget to send in the wedgie we'll know DD is scum... :laugh:

Maverick has been well under the radar, but I'm not seeing much scummy from him so far. Just don't want him to slide by without being looked into.

Night 2 vote count:
Vote count:

0 Ice - Lab_rat(361) Chill(401)
5 JM - DD(397) Ice(439) Lab_Rat(562) Jpapp(578) Chill(584) RB(654)
∞ FF - Dawg(433) Noodles(495) Taysius(593) Maverick(600) Ice(618) Rich(622) PP(629) Bally(637) Razzle(661)
0 Lady G – Taysius(511) Lab_Rat(512)
0 Noods – FF(515)
0 Bally – Lady G(529)
1 Lab_rat – Lady G(549) JM(595)
1 PP – FF(652)

No votes:
Lady G
Notice how my suspects are spread pretty evenly between JM and FF...no worries that one of their own will get lynched. If JM were scum there would have been more of a push to make this an even race or put him ahead, he certainly had enough scummy looking flubs to warrant votes, even with FF's little hissy fit.

Still more to follow (sorry, going in chronological order since I'm going through the entire thread with a fine tooth comb.)
 
Because that's what I've been trying to do. It's impossible for me to distance this game. I do find it hilarious that after I called you out for doing absolutely nothing for the town you upped your post count by posting 4x in rapid succession.




Excellent point.


Could care less about what you think you are "trying" to do.....my point was, what have you done to help, besides drop in once and a while and post on the advice of your team?
 
Were you taking Percocet too? Took me a sec to figure out your question embedded in my quote. It's impossible for me to distance for obvious reasons, I have no teammates to distance from.[/QUOTE]

That's twice now you are trying to convince us of that...
 
Ok guys. I am the Network Guru. I've thought about this long and hard all day, and after the outcomes of Night 1 and Night 2, as well as my almost lynching Night 2, i have decided to reveal my role.

Rich (and all the town), I knew Lady G was innocent because i investigated her night one. i figured she would be around longer than some of the other more controversial players, and i was looking for the Doctor in hopes of being able to communicate. Plus, with my flubb during Day 1 i was hoping for somebody to help me out and give me some advice as to which way to go.

Last night, I investigated Labby, and found her innocent. i really thought she was evil, and i wanted to make sure she was, but i was wrong. I decided to investigate her because i have had these same suspicions about her, and last time they proved to be true. this time though, like i said before, i was wrong about her.

Total crap.....

I VOTE TO LYNCH JM.....and tomorrow it will be Lab for lynch....
 
in light of JM's post, I am willing to give him the benefit of doubt... I retract my vote on JM and vote to lynch Bally


Add DD for the next night....
 
I agree she was coached, Labby but coached by Ice, not so sure about that. I think Ice is a better player than to "ok" Bally putting Dawg on her list. The reason, because Ice plays a good game, pays pretty close attention, and would never be ok with Bally offering up her "innocent investigations" with someone who she formally listed as suspect... just my thought on that. Does it clear Ice, no... maybe she said she would role claim and give a list and not discuss who she might have investigated with her team, who knows... but it's sloppy if you ask me. I do feel pretty uneasy though giving a more innocent status, only because it's Ice.

I agree, that was a huge flub from Bally, but it doesn't mean Ice isn't coaching her. I'd bet he posted something to the effect of "Bally, you need to counter JM's role claim. With PP UDing, we need to get rid of the network guru and get another wedgie in. You'll be voted out next, but it's for the good of the team and we may have enough numbers in our favor to win. RB and I are still well hidden, we're not on any suspect lists. DD will be given the benefit of the doubt since she skims whether innocent or scum." That is what I think has happened, maybe posted a bit more eloquently, but the idea is still the same. So he wouldn't have held her hand, would have just given her basic instructions to role claim. Now she was smart in saying she investigated me second, since JM had already said that and I knew he was right about my role. But she messed up with naming Dawg, big time messed up. I'm sure Ice and the rest of your team had a huge facepalm moment with that.
 
but I could give a pass on Lab....maybe even switch the choice to mav...
 
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