Mafia 78- The Gunslinger Returns...The Play

FF you're the only one left who hasn't commented on Ice's list?
You also never answered my question about why you wouldn't go after Ice if Pap showed scum.
Times ticking and if I was on as many lists as you I'd want to get my thoughts out there. Care to add some input?

Not defending FF in character, but he is a kid and is probably in school right now. I doubt you'll see him before you have to take your shot because of the timezones.
 
Sure JB, I'll refresh your memory.



It started with this post above and then I replied:



Which you happened to agree with me here:



Then came the consider/hesitate debate which you said nearly the same thing that I did so I know we were on the same line of thought there. Did you really need to be refreshed about that when we were thinking the same things? So if I saw the same things you did and you agreed with me on them about Rich, how does his guilt if shot and killed link me to him as a team mate?

About my posts being overlooked, it just seems that way during every game I've played. I will say the same thing as a vet, sometimes even before a vet and the vet is the one to get recognized for it. It seems like people don't notice that I am there trying to help the town as well. I'm still getting brushed off as a "just a newbie" by some people and I try not to be offended by it but it feels a little degrading at times.
I definitely see what you're saying here, Tay. And I think there's been a little miscommunication. when I said that Rich was a common link, I meant he was a common link between my choices from Ice's list and my top suspects list, not that he would lead to you if scum.

This actually makes you seem a little more innocent to me. Again, TBH I had forgotten that we had been along the same lines of thinking so often. I tend to get caught up in my own thoughts sometimes... to my detriment. Also TBH, the UD's sort of killed my zeal for the game, so I'm not thinking as much about it as I was before.

Regardless... my shot would be on Rich.
 
I definitely see what you're saying here, Tay. And I think there's been a little miscommunication. when I said that Rich was a common link, I meant he was a common link between my choices from Ice's list and my top suspects list, not that he would lead to you if scum.

This actually makes you seem a little more innocent to me. Again, TBH I had forgotten that we had been along the same lines of thinking so often. I tend to get caught up in my own thoughts sometimes... to my detriment. Also TBH, the UD's sort of killed my zeal for the game, so I'm not thinking as much about it as I was before.

Regardless... my shot would be on Rich.

You're right about the miscommunication if that really is what you meant. I just wasn't seeing the link from Rich to me.

I also didn't understand why you were thinking me as a suspect when we both saw the same things. I know you've mentioned my attitude but that's not something I'm surprised to hear. I am me and always will be. :cool: Hopefully you and others can see that once my weekend ended I have been putting a bit more effort into the game. Though by evening I get too tired to say much at all.
 
Here's my original post:
Sorry, Chill... I'm not an early riser at the best of times. From Ice's list, I'd got Rich, Kash, FF.

That being said, Rich, Jspigs and Tay are still my top suspects.

My shot would be on Rich since I"ve been suspecting him the longest, and he's the common link in those thoughts.
When I said he's the common link in those thoughts, I was referring to the thoughts I'd stated previously... my picks from Ice's list and my top suspects. I thought it was pretty clear.

You're right about the miscommunication if that really is what you meant. I just wasn't seeing the link from Rich to me.

I also didn't understand why you were thinking me as a suspect when we both saw the same things. I know you've mentioned my attitude but that's not something I'm surprised to hear. I am me and always will be. :cool: Hopefully you and others can see that once my weekend ended I have been putting a bit more effort into the game. Though by evening I get too tired to say much at all.
Both of us thinking the same things in no way clears you. The thing that is lending more credibility to your innocence is that a) your story didn't waiver when I asked you to repeat your case, and b) you actually came out with most of those thoughts first. Still doesn't clear you, but it does move you down on my list a bit.
 
I don't expect you to clear anyone except Chill and any future slingers. It's just not possible in this game.
 
Just wondering and since no one else is around, what do you have to say about Kash's latest post and such?
 
Just wondering and since no one else is around, what do you have to say about Kash's latest post and such?
I'm still on the fence. I agree that it's not like her to make such a mistake. But I also see her point that if it was an honest mistake, it would be an easy thing to use to condemn her.

That being said, if we're going to start shooting people for making mistakes I'm screwed. LOL. I'd like to see/hear more before making a concrete decision. Especially since our backs are up against the wall at this point.
 
Sure JB, I'll refresh your memory.



It started with this post above and then I replied:



Which you happened to agree with me here:



Then came the consider/hesitate debate which you said nearly the same thing that I did so I know we were on the same line of thought there. Did you really need to be refreshed about that when we were thinking the same things? So if I saw the same things you did and you agreed with me on them about Rich, how does his guilt if shot and killed link me to him as a team mate?

About my posts being overlooked, it just seems that way during every game I've played. I will say the same thing as a vet, sometimes even before a vet and the vet is the one to get recognized for it. It seems like people don't notice that I am there trying to help the town as well. I'm still getting brushed off as a "just a newbie" by some people and I try not to be offended by it but it feels a little degrading at times.


I don't think anyone sees you as noob anymore Tay. We all post things that seemed to get overlooked you just notice it more when it happens to you, then when it happens to somebody else. Many times I will see something that I don't comment on right away because a) I want to process it and b) I want to see how others react to it. I wouldn't read too much into people overlooking stuff.
 
You know what Kash if it was an honest mistake when the dust clears and that's evident then I won't blame you. Mistakes happen, we're all human, but it's hard to give someone the benefit of the doubt in the game because what may be an honest mistake may just as likely be an attempt to mislead.

The problem I have with your explanation is it doesn't match my recollection of the game. Granted I don't keep spreadsheets but for the most part I keep track all right. By my recollection of that game you were a woMan at Arms and kept playing after death (even ghost posting). So I'm pretty sure you did keep track after you were kiled off.

Having said that town. I'm still not 100% certain on Kash and none of the rest of you should sit back and let this play out either. This is our last kick at the cat so go back through and look for anything that might help.

Chill, I make mistakes now and then but I'm not stupid. Go back to my original post naming you as my suspect.

What about my mistake would have mislead anyone about you?

Thinking at the time that you HAD been evil one time in some other game when Wizard was innocent helped you instead of hurt you.

I got that other game wrong (as we've been over) and you weren't evil. But that only prevented me from saying...... "you've never been evil when Wizard was innocent"... which would have been a stronger, more convincing way to phrase my post.

You think I opted to misquote a game reference so I couldn't make a bolder statement than I did? Be serious. That mistake changed nothing else about the post I made or the reasons I had in this game for suspecting you Day1.

If I was evil in this game now and invented a bogus case against you on purpose to show your question 'who's fooled Wizard before?' deliberately excluded you from consideration, thus pointing us to look elsewhere...... it would have been better for the argument I made to get the old game reference right than it was to mistakenly get it wrong. I made a mistake about an old game... yes. But the case I presented didn't benefit from that mistake. And still, you question whether I did that on purpose?

Seriously, I'm not going to make a case weaker than it really is on purpose, no matter which side I'm on.

Now, as you want to discuss the werewolf game too....

Yes, I was a man at arms (townie) and I was communicating with JB and JM the whole time the game was underway, even after I died. We figured out right away that Lab Rat was scum and yes I was killed at some point. I don't know anymore which day I actually died, but I died. JB and I both died, leaving JM as the last living man at arms.

I started the spreadsheet at game start like I always do. But since I was communicating innocent, I didn't need it to keep track of details. Our communicating board took it's place. I have to rely more heavily on those spreadsheets to keep track whenever I'm not on a communicating team. It gives me something useful to work from when I'm playing this game alone and I've got no one to converse with.

In this case, I abandoned that particular spreadsheet very soon in that game and kept track of things through live dialogue with my communicating teammates instead. And yes, I also abandon the spreadsheets altogether once I'm killed and I stop following the game so close.. as I told you before. At the time I stopped using the spreadsheet for reference, it was still when I suspected you and Lady G were both evil and that's why your name appears in red.
 
I don't think anyone sees you as noob anymore Tay. We all post things that seemed to get overlooked you just notice it more when it happens to you, then when it happens to somebody else. Many times I will see something that I don't comment on right away because a) I want to process it and b) I want to see how others react to it. I wouldn't read too much into people overlooking stuff.

Oh I agree and that's why I didn't want to make a big deal out of it. I don't want to come off as all "me me me". When I first mentioned it I was slightly irritated and then JB brought it up so I felt I should explain.
 
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