So far so good - pretty awesome display of nature can only imagine what a full scale hurricane looks like
Mafia 80: Ghost Hunters
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So far so good - pretty awesome display of nature can only imagine what a full scale hurricane looks like
Got back to the thread and saw it's been pretty quiet. No one else was even viewing the thread, so I guess it'll be slow going today.
I see a contradiction between two posts you made, FF. I'm a little curious how you'll explain this, so please do so.
Here FF tells us 5 names he'd look at first, then his suspects would be the people who aren't being noticed.
Then in this post, his focus changed.
So with that second post, FF decided against suspecting players who are acting scummy by laying low in favor of lynching the remaining vet players he ignored completely with this first suggestion.
Let me get this straight, FF.... you want me, Wizard, Pappy, and JB dead first. And then Lab Rat... and then... um... who exactly? Players flying under the radar or the remaining vets still alive?
I see a contradiction between two posts you made, FF. I'm a little curious how you'll explain this, so please do so.
Here FF tells us 5 names he'd look at first, then his suspects would be the people who aren't being noticed.
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I agree, it is early, but still.
I reject your reality, and subsatute my own
Ok, so Ice isn't playing. Fail. Ok, so just take Ice off da list.
Ok, so my list of people i would choose if i was evil still stands. Wiz, Kash, JP, or JB. Then Labby, and after that i would just start picking people who weren't being noticed.
And my thoughts on others still stand as well.
Then in this post, his focus changed.
So with that second post, FF decided against suspecting players who are acting scummy by laying low in favor of lynching the remaining vet players he ignored completely with this first suggestion.
Let me get this straight, FF.... you want me, Wizard, Pappy, and JB dead first. And then Lab Rat... and then... um... who exactly? Players flying under the radar or the remaining vets still alive?
Now as a followup to the 3 points FF posted.
1. You believe throwing suspicion toward 4 specific vets by name and away from 4 other equally experienced/well skilled vets this early on the first day... based on nothing posted in the thread... is a good way of... helping? I could maybe see this as a valid, possibly helpful, idea had you just suggested looking among vet players rather than newer players. Or even if you'd wondered who Lady G might pick for which roles (without naming anyone).
But that's not what you did. In fact, your post diverts our attention away from some mighty skilled players and away from anyone else (including yourself, I might add) who is not a vet. That means your post was either arbitrary, short-sighted, or self-serving.
Which is it?
2. That's right, FF. You have no idea who's likely to pick whom. So your attempt to toss something like this "out there" for possible rampant speculation by the town is a little more suspicious than neutral or pro-town in itself.
3. Those are the ones you would choose. Of course, that has no bearing on who anyone else might choose if they are the murderer, does it? And, if those were the contenders for YOUR first pick as murderer, the names you posted would likely be those you would NOT have chosen... am I right, FF?
Gee, maybe you could explain somehow exactly how your post was supposed to be helpful?
Overall, my opinion of FF at this point is what he made was a scummy post. And that needed to be addressed. This doesn't mean he actually is scum or isn't... townies post scummy things all the time. So I'm not suggesting FF as an actual suspect this early on. I think it will be interesting, however, to hear more of his thoughts as he gets them, just in case. FF was the first to uncharacteristically depart from fluff to get down to business instead.
1. You believe throwing suspicion toward 4 specific vets by name and away from 4 other equally experienced/well skilled vets this early on the first day... based on nothing posted in the thread... is a good way of... helping? I could maybe see this as a valid, possibly helpful, idea had you just suggested looking among vet players rather than newer players. Or even if you'd wondered who Lady G might pick for which roles (without naming anyone).
But that's not what you did. In fact, your post diverts our attention away from some mighty skilled players and away from anyone else (including yourself, I might add) who is not a vet. That means your post was either arbitrary, short-sighted, or self-serving.
Which is it?
2. That's right, FF. You have no idea who's likely to pick whom. So your attempt to toss something like this "out there" for possible rampant speculation by the town is a little more suspicious than neutral or pro-town in itself.
3. Those are the ones you would choose. Of course, that has no bearing on who anyone else might choose if they are the murderer, does it? And, if those were the contenders for YOUR first pick as murderer, the names you posted would likely be those you would NOT have chosen... am I right, FF?
Gee, maybe you could explain somehow exactly how your post was supposed to be helpful?
Overall, my opinion of FF at this point is what he made was a scummy post. And that needed to be addressed. This doesn't mean he actually is scum or isn't... townies post scummy things all the time. So I'm not suggesting FF as an actual suspect this early on. I think it will be interesting, however, to hear more of his thoughts as he gets them, just in case. FF was the first to uncharacteristically depart from fluff to get down to business instead.
While I still have your attention here, FF... why don't you answer a few more questions for me.
Also welcome viewpoints from other players as well about how you think we should proceed with our lynches.
--> This game started with 1 evil who gets to recruit evil teammates and a whole bunch of non-communicating townie PRs. As you seem preoccupied with a focus on vet players over noobs, are you suggesting that we systematically start killing off vets one by one, hoping to find the murderer and possible turns? (I ask that because, if so... then who's to say that approach wouldn't result in the town helping the murderer by eliminating a good number of likely ghost hunters along the way?)
--> Even if this was the initial strategy for a noob/rookie player in the role of murderer, don't you suppose that strategy would be expanded upon and refined a bit once the murderer started recruiting veteran teammates and benefitted from the advice they would contribute based on people's game play, even on Day 1? So if that's the case, what do you say we should do for the first few lynches... kill vets? Kill noobs?
--> Wouldn't it make better sense for us to actually look for scum based on player posts and actions in the thread rather than follow your ideas based on nothing actually backing them up?
Dang it... I just thought of another question.
According to the rules, whoever got the murderer role was supposed to make their first choice at the start of the game. FF, you want to suspect me, Wizard, Pappy, and JB for some reason. So answer me this: Wizard and I.. and Pappy... and JB were all on the thread last night after the game started. And so was Lady G. If as you've suggested, our first choices would be so obvious that you could easily "guess" them so well all by yourself.... why would you imagine that Lady G didn't make her "shiver" post until the following day?
Do you not think a veteran player getting their role assignment as murderer in this game... already knowing (before the game even started) that the murderer submits their first pick and the ghost hunters submit their first investigations at game start from the signup thread... would have been able to submit that recruitment without much delay?
Given the timing of Lady G's post... doesn't it seem that the murderer must have taken quite some time to decide who they would choose first?
Does that still lead you to believe the murderer must be a vet player?
Wouldn't a rookie/noobie player as murderer likely take a little longer than a vet might to make their decision and get their PM sent to Lady G?
Also welcome viewpoints from other players as well about how you think we should proceed with our lynches.
--> This game started with 1 evil who gets to recruit evil teammates and a whole bunch of non-communicating townie PRs. As you seem preoccupied with a focus on vet players over noobs, are you suggesting that we systematically start killing off vets one by one, hoping to find the murderer and possible turns? (I ask that because, if so... then who's to say that approach wouldn't result in the town helping the murderer by eliminating a good number of likely ghost hunters along the way?)
--> Even if this was the initial strategy for a noob/rookie player in the role of murderer, don't you suppose that strategy would be expanded upon and refined a bit once the murderer started recruiting veteran teammates and benefitted from the advice they would contribute based on people's game play, even on Day 1? So if that's the case, what do you say we should do for the first few lynches... kill vets? Kill noobs?
--> Wouldn't it make better sense for us to actually look for scum based on player posts and actions in the thread rather than follow your ideas based on nothing actually backing them up?
Dang it... I just thought of another question.
According to the rules, whoever got the murderer role was supposed to make their first choice at the start of the game. FF, you want to suspect me, Wizard, Pappy, and JB for some reason. So answer me this: Wizard and I.. and Pappy... and JB were all on the thread last night after the game started. And so was Lady G. If as you've suggested, our first choices would be so obvious that you could easily "guess" them so well all by yourself.... why would you imagine that Lady G didn't make her "shiver" post until the following day?
Do you not think a veteran player getting their role assignment as murderer in this game... already knowing (before the game even started) that the murderer submits their first pick and the ghost hunters submit their first investigations at game start from the signup thread... would have been able to submit that recruitment without much delay?
Given the timing of Lady G's post... doesn't it seem that the murderer must have taken quite some time to decide who they would choose first?
Does that still lead you to believe the murderer must be a vet player?
Wouldn't a rookie/noobie player as murderer likely take a little longer than a vet might to make their decision and get their PM sent to Lady G?
Wizard, other than this being a general rule of thumb... what makes you think Lady G made random choices?
She didn't tell us her assignments were random.
Well, no one else is posting, so I'll add this. Then I'll be back later today.
This next part leads to some questions I have from vet players who were active in these games before I started with game #50.... Those people would be Chill, JB (I think?), Noodles, Pappy, and Rich.
In between the last game and Lady G's signup thread, I wasn't planning to join this one. But I liked the format and theme a whole lot so I wanted to read through the original Ghost Hunter game (#47) that Lady G posted about in the mafia thread. (I generally find the old archive games more interesting than the current ones, so I was going to see how well I could find scum as I read the old one without using a spreadsheet/etc. That's part of trying to do this better but spend less time analyzing everything than I normally would.)
In game 47, the ghost hunters were: CJ, Ice, DirtyDawg (under an alias Rickets), and JohnLarson. The Doctor was Ogre. And the Murderer was Opicana. Among the townies were: Noodles, Lucky, FireDancer, Rich, Pappy, Dangerdoll, and Tibs.
From this list, I see a lot of past and current vet players as ghost hunters. (Not sure if CJ was a vet then or not.) My impression is that Ogre and Opicana were also vets at that time, but both played a less vocal game than many of the others. There were a lot of vet names in the innocent townie list, too.
Were there any relative noobs in that game?
I didn't end up reading that whole game but still flipped to the end of it to learn the outcome because I decided to sign up for this game instead.
In this game now, with Lady G as our mod under the same format.... the number of players we have now is pretty close. They had 13 players and we have 14 players. So I imagine the breakdown of roles as a ratio should be about the same.
Does anyone see anything worth noting from the game 47 setup that might help us make reasonable inferences in this one?
This next part leads to some questions I have from vet players who were active in these games before I started with game #50.... Those people would be Chill, JB (I think?), Noodles, Pappy, and Rich.
In between the last game and Lady G's signup thread, I wasn't planning to join this one. But I liked the format and theme a whole lot so I wanted to read through the original Ghost Hunter game (#47) that Lady G posted about in the mafia thread. (I generally find the old archive games more interesting than the current ones, so I was going to see how well I could find scum as I read the old one without using a spreadsheet/etc. That's part of trying to do this better but spend less time analyzing everything than I normally would.)
In game 47, the ghost hunters were: CJ, Ice, DirtyDawg (under an alias Rickets), and JohnLarson. The Doctor was Ogre. And the Murderer was Opicana. Among the townies were: Noodles, Lucky, FireDancer, Rich, Pappy, Dangerdoll, and Tibs.
From this list, I see a lot of past and current vet players as ghost hunters. (Not sure if CJ was a vet then or not.) My impression is that Ogre and Opicana were also vets at that time, but both played a less vocal game than many of the others. There were a lot of vet names in the innocent townie list, too.
Were there any relative noobs in that game?
I didn't end up reading that whole game but still flipped to the end of it to learn the outcome because I decided to sign up for this game instead.
In this game now, with Lady G as our mod under the same format.... the number of players we have now is pretty close. They had 13 players and we have 14 players. So I imagine the breakdown of roles as a ratio should be about the same.
Does anyone see anything worth noting from the game 47 setup that might help us make reasonable inferences in this one?
I'm back y'all!
Most of the posts this far seem to be a lot of Day 1 banter........ I don't find it surprising that FF is one of the topics.
The thing that stands out most to me is that if the murderer was the only evil on day one and the rest of AC was alive, wouldn't the person being turned have to be killed? I don't have an explination for the shiver but why wouldn't the peson experience something at least closer to death? If he/she who felt the shiver is now a troubled spirit it just doesn't make sense. There is nothing about their lifeless body on the ground or them leaving their body so how could a living person just shiver and now be a troubled spirit?
LG, could you please clarify?
Most of the posts this far seem to be a lot of Day 1 banter........ I don't find it surprising that FF is one of the topics.
The thing that stands out most to me is that if the murderer was the only evil on day one and the rest of AC was alive, wouldn't the person being turned have to be killed? I don't have an explination for the shiver but why wouldn't the peson experience something at least closer to death? If he/she who felt the shiver is now a troubled spirit it just doesn't make sense. There is nothing about their lifeless body on the ground or them leaving their body so how could a living person just shiver and now be a troubled spirit?
LG, could you please clarify?
Razz, I think you're getting too caught up in semantics. The rules state this:
I don't see any other way to explain what LG posted. Someone has to be turned before nightfall and I think the murderer would want to get it done sooner rather than later so they can begin communicating asap.
I don't see any other way to explain what LG posted. Someone has to be turned before nightfall and I think the murderer would want to get it done sooner rather than later so they can begin communicating asap.
Kash, that was so long ago I would have to reread. The names that stick out to me as people that didn't play as often as others are Cj, Lucky, and Tibs. None have played for quite some time either. I think everyone else had played at least a few games before then but I'm unsure as to when Opicana started in relation to that one.
Hmm, you make a valid point. I would have never even noticed the change in my reasoning like that. creepy. Lets see if i can decifer my own thoughts...
I was looking at it from the point of veiw of the murderer. They would want to remove or ally the best players first, and early in the game before those players can make a stand. Cause what if those players were right? They would need to change stance to keep the murderer alive. So, if I was the murderer i would get the best players first, then, after that, go for those who can change their stance or are already going for innocents.
Hope that helped in some way or another...
Well, when you put it that way... I was throwing around names, which was more, is more, then most if not all the rest of the town has done. I had nothin to go on ecept my bad memory of other games, so i did da best i could. If you want to vote me for at least trying to look under stones, do so!
It was definitely short sighted. I chose, from the top of my head, who i would have picked. I also asked who others would have picked, as far as i know, no one answered that part of my post except JP, and his answer was tha he wouldn't know who he would pick.
Ok, so instead i'll do what the rest of the town was doing, nothing. I would like to note that most of the people who came and read my posts went for me and seem blind to most other stuff. I was digging. The rest of you were not. Am i gonna be attacked for digging and giving out opinions now?
If i was the murderer i would have chose at least 1 of them, even if i said their name, cause that would make them look innocent if i died and turned evil. Not being the Murderer, i told the truth, thats who i would pick.
Note to self: Next time your playing a mafia game and the town is dead silent, just do as they do and stay silent. Because actually doing something paints a target on your back.
You will most definitely hear my thoughts as time goes on, trust me, that will only be a problem if the town continues to attack those that speak up. Then i will just have to die again and again.
You lost me at "attention"
True, that is a pretty big hole in my logic. I was srta thinking that by day 2 (maybe even b4 day 1 ends) there would be more to go on. But if there wasn't, then yes, go for the ones you think would have been chosen by the murderer, which IMO would be the vets.
Another hole, but this one minor. If it was a newb, then as the newb got advice, the town would be able to tell who was getting said advice.
Another hole, my theory is starting to look like swiss cheese
Yes, if you see someone you think is scummy, go for it. What i was saying was pure speculation on what i would have done and what i though others hay have done if evil. It was not based on any posts at all. yes, i do think a vet would take that long, after all, these people would be their teammates for the entire game, you must choose carefully and not make a dumb mistake. Vets would know better then to impulsively choose a teammate. The murderer must first look at all the options, and then decide who would be the best match. Is this player a enemy so you can distance and have it look natural? Is this player someone who you get along with to avoid arguments? Would this player be helpful or a potential time bomb? Can this player hide if necessary? Can this player change their mind and not be called out? Can this player stay quiet and not be called out? Has this player already made a stand against your team or yourself?(not as important that early, but for later knowledge). And most importantly, who can make looking like a team seem natural and unconnected? Those are the things i would consider before making my choice, before adding anyone onto my team. Its a lot to think about, so i assume it would take a long time. And thats why a vet would take that long to figure out who to choose. A newb would be more likely to be impulsive, not taking their time or reviewing such questions, just choosing a teammate cause their name sounds cool.
Now, i have several thoughts right now. First thought: It seems that both you and wiz are after me, now, as my thought process describes, you two would be a perfect mach. You can agree without many people noticing, and your both vets so you can also make minor distancing and maneuvering without it being noticed. So answer me this: Why is it that wiz came in a went after me, then you come in and do the same thing?
Now, i wonder what the responses will be? This is not a BS post, i have tried to answer all of your questions truthfully. I have put my thoughts out there as well, so now lets see how the town rips it apart.
