Mafia 80: Ghost Hunters

[rich311k]

I'm back with some posts....







As others have said it isn't number but content. You acknowledged this but are still going for the low posters?











What are your reasons here Wiz? I could probably guess but what are these alarms your hearing?





I don't think your getting a horrible hammering... People are suspecting you but if your a townie it shouldn't matter all that much since it's not like you have everyones votes yet. I am not saying stop posting but the "I don't know" type stuff is getting old. If you don't know, don't say it.



Hmm.... Rich pointed this out but he didn't jump on any train... I would like to see some posts that you are basing this on, if you don't mind.











This whole conversation put together doesn't sit right with me... I feel like Hay chilled out a lot after voting. I don't really know what to think about the way he is refering to ff, wiz and rich. I have a feeling that hay is scum and one of the three is also with him.

If FF- it would be a great distancing attempt by mentioning him in posts but I don't think either would think of it...

If Wiz- Again it would be a great attempt and I could see Wiz coming up with a plan.

If Rich- This is where things get confusing. I could see Rich coming up with the voting for eachother plan and he seemed to get on and get right back off of his case on Hay dispite his vote there. I almost think they are scum but neither want to push too hard just in case they get lynched...

But of all of this, Hay isn't confirmed as either the murderer or the troubled spirit.

I could be way off here but this is what I am thinking ATM.

I am also curious why Wiz changed so quickly. I was not all that convincing, my vote on Hay was something I noticed. I do believe I am correct but the quick change baffled me as well.

 

[jbradt]

JB, a lot of players do this actually and it's often a very incriminating scum-tell once we catch on to the fact that they do it. I just can't think of an example from past games where it's something Wizard has done when he's evil or even just trying to protect himself from someone else he thinks poses a threat.

That said, he may have done this before with you... or someone like JL, Ice, etc.. Do you have an example handy in mind that I'm just not remembering?

I can't think of a time in particular where Wiz has done this before. but the early interaction between myself and him struck me as a little odd even then. The stuff since has set off red flags for me. I have to admit that I'm less comfortable with my vote now than I was when I placed it; but I'm not going to second guess myself at this point. Wiz is still my strongest suspicion.

 

[rich311k]

ok - sorry got sidetracked by a bleeding hubby.....hopefully I can finish my thoughts before he attempts to remove a finger or two while doing his sheet metal work!


FF posted this at 7:12 am







LG posts this at 7:38 am.



I don't know if I am being overly suspicious but this just sticks out to me.... maybe I am reading too much into who was around when LG posted the turn....:huh:

Only thing worse than a bleeding spouse is a bleeding kid. He sounds like me, whenever I do anything physical I wind up with a cut or two.

The timing is odd, but FF was on and pumped up so it is not surprising he commented about the turn quickly. I also would not be surprised if he was the one doing the turning.

 

[Kashta]

This post, I'll split into 2 quotes so it's easier to reply to both parts.

I'm creating the history of a fictional species of alien who live on planet Calandan.

And you've accused me of posting BS yet follow through with something like that?

:thumbsdown:

I have been content with dieing since this game started. i see no problems with it.

Ok, no i need to go biking with my mom :yuck:

Okay, that's it. The actual "last straw" for me.

Another totally uncharacteristic statement that there's no way I believe is the truth.

I vote to take the soul of Fishfriend.

.... subject to change if anything more scummy develops over the next 2 hours or so.

Have fun on your bike ride, Tigger.

 

[the wizard]

What are your reasons here Wiz? I could probably guess but what are these alarms your hearing?

If read in context, my reasons were clear. Hay stated that he was looking at low posters who are helping the town. He used his post count to show he is helping the town.

He has been stating IDK. Nothing looks scummy. All I see is D1 banter. In the midst of what had been going on between me and FF since yesterday morning.

You don't see a problem with that?

 

[rich311k]

If read in context, my reasons were clear. Hay stated that he was looking at low posters who are helping the town. He used his post count to show he is helping the town.

He has been stating IDK. Nothing looks scummy. All I see is D1 banter. In the midst of what had been going on between me and FF since yesterday morning.

You don't see a problem with that?

I agree with all that. It was just that you were so gung ho on FF aka Tigger. I wonder if FF is not fighting to keep Hay alive.

 

[jpappy789]

Morning all

Okay, to answer everyones question. By jumping on the train this is what I ment; Ff and wiz were talking last night and I came on and started to try help the town in my eyes. Then yes I said my theory was going to be lowish posters at the point. Then wiz and FF jump on me a bit about it and before I even had the chance to answer fully, rich comes on with his first or second post about the issue or that night for that matter and places a vote. Which i thought was unusual. That is also why I voted for him. I hope that clears that up a little.

So...

1) Essentially Rich jumps on you pretty much out of the blue

2) Wiz and FF had both been questioning you before hand ergo Rich was following those two

3) His vote happened before you were able to fully answer the questions.

Huh...I'm reading through the conversation now...none of what you say matches up with the timeline that was posted in the thread...

Since when have you been such a big quoter and informed player? Lol. I will be making my choice in the morning before school. I'm still undecided and looking for something unusual to happen. Personally all I see is banter. So till then I'm off to sleep goodnight All.

Here is where you mention the whole banter things between Wiz and FF.

So nothing FF has posted or the responses by players discussing things with him seems to be anything but banter to you?

FF that was another excellent post. I imagine you are back on your meds as school is back in session. I do not have any problem believing that you wrote those posts. I am sure you slowed down and carefully wrote out and reread your posts before making them.

My dilemma is did you do so because you are a townie trying to help and explain yourself or are you the murderer being extra careful?

Rich questions what you said.

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Hay, you need to say something other then "I have nothing to say at this moment." You may as well just not post at all. If you had to come up with a vote, who would you vote for? Got any scum lists? Got anything at all? Cause im pretty sure whats been happening between me-n-wiz isn't all banter.

FF also does.

Okay, I can't sleep yeah I saw his posts and they were a bit suspicious but nothing to vote off I beleive. Not yet. Although with that said, his inconsistency with his FF posts and his new, intelligent posts have me concerned.

Your response and explanation.

FF my above post answers some of your question and I'm still looking into my theory of lying low. So therefore I'm looking at noodes, rich etc who have low posts. But I want to hear some input from them before I vote.

You then bring up the low poster theory again.

Hay, your posts have been causing me some concern.

I have gone at FF knowing I would take a lot of flack and probably put myself in the running for the lynch. I am currently the 2-1 favorite to be brought before Bala and all you have seen is BANTER?

Maybe I am wrong about FF. I am not sure at this point thanks to your input.

Wiz mentions you looking suspicious to him. He specifically mentions the banter issue.

No, that's not what I ment. I ment FFs post about suspects straight away caused concern but then I thought he was just trying to help then when you started on him I saw it as a pointless case if you know what I mean. That's what I ment by banter, not that I'm not seeing anything to go by. Sorry for the confusion there.

Your answer to Wiz.

Speaking of lying low... how do you not fit the profile of lying low?

Then FF questions the lying low thing that you previously brought up.

Because I'm trying to help and I believe my post count shows that I'm trying to contribute.

You continue on the post count thing...

Do you not qualify for this? Do we get input from you?

I vote to take the soul of Haydn.

I do not like your posts this time around and you have done nothing while saying you are looking at people who you have decided have done nothing. Does not sit well with me.

Rich questions it and votes because of the low posters comment.

Post count does not indicate "helping". Content of posts indicates "helping"

Wiz corrects you on the post count issue.

Your going to vote based on that? That's kinda weak. You didn't even question me about it but fair enough.

Your response to Rich's vote.

Yes, I answered your questions and put out my theory and my suspects and all I get is slack so I dunno.

This is to Wiz. You answerED the questions.

Explain away. No vote is set in stone, well on day one anyway. You have been asked several times and have not said much or tell us how we should proceed, I always am welcome to a good idea.

Rich again.

I have already answered this. I have answered most or all questions, put out a theory and suspects. I'm trying to help the town and I'm just getting hammered. So I don't know anymore.

Your response...again you say you ALREADY answerED.

So...

1) You say that Rich followed FF and Wiz. Not entirely true. I see Rich being the first one out of the three to question your talk about the banter. Different reasoning but it's not like Rich just blindly followed them.

2) Again, you say that Rich was following FF and Wiz. Funny, because Rich posted/voted before Wiz even responded to what you said about low posters this morning.

3) You say that Rich jumped on without allowing you to answer all the questions. You specifically said following the vote when they continued to question you that you already answered their questions. When did you answer them? Apparently it had to be before Rich's vote since nothing in between that and when you insisted that you already answered was there any more reasons from you.

Heck, even when Rich asked you to explain (since you questioned why he didn't do it to you before voting) you shooed it away saying that you already had answered everything.

I vote to take the soul of Hay

Your extended reasoning for voting Rich makes less sense than what you originally stated when you voted.

 

[user_name]

Since when have you been such a big quoter and informed player? Lol. I will be making my choice in the morning before school. I'm still undecided and looking for something unusual to happen. Personally all I see is banter. So till then I'm off to sleep goodnight All.

FF is actually a pretty good player IME when he doesn't babble about random stuff and get well... FFy.

How do you only see banter? At that time there was quite a lot going on, so its BS to say that there wasn't anything to vote or comment in depth upon.

When people start saying "If i was scum i would never do this" is usually proof they are indeed evil. I know i've done it when evil much more then when good.

Kash stated her posts from every angle possible, so obviously she wasn't leaning on the whole "I cant be scum because I'm doing this..." routine that players tend to throw out.

Distancing then?

such big words.....

wow... really? We're voting for each other, and have each openly called out the other and you call it distancing???

Well then because your voting each other it can't possibly be distancing!
FF you have played more than enough games that you can throw someone under the bus in the beggining to help ensure that someone survives. That strategy would work great for you too if FF was the murderer and wanted to distance himself from scum so that the scum team could change many more souls.

Well I'm off. I'm going to place a vote invade I can't get back on.

I vote to take the souls of rich

Because he jumped on the "train" with chill and FF and hasn't contributed much (which is what I'm bring hammered for, ironic?)

not very strong reasoning at all, seems kinda OMGUS to me.

getting hammered is part of the game

that explains a lot of posts on here

The person that has given me the most reason to vote them so far has be haydn, and so thats were my vote shall go. I vote to take the soul of haydn


g/o well I'm gonna have to go study and go to bed early tonight (game tommorow and I have the flu :thud g/o

 

[the wizard]

Just to clear things up, to let you all into my twisted little mind a little.

Yes I jumped FF fairly early. I got a nagging feeling in the back of my head and in my gut about him.

I don't see him being turned D1 by the murderer unless it is to use him as a sacrifice to make the murderer look good. I believe his "theory" if you want to call it that was just what I said and many more of you have commented on. Total bs. A list of names to get others looking in other directions. As I have stated he tops the list with me when there are much better players than I am in the game. My thoughts on that are because those at the top of his list are less likely to say "it's just FF" so he feels more threatened by us. Those he admires, by his own admission in previous games, are at the bottom of the list. Hmmmm.

I switched to Hay because of the way he was posting. Calling Rich for not contributing while he has contributed even less. Not seeing anything but banter while FF and I were going back and forth.

It just didn't feel right. That said, my vote may end up back on FF yet, I don't know at this point. I have not been able to get this game out of my head all day. With FF stating he doesn't have a problem with being lynched? Sounds like a pitch from a used car salesman to me. He has always fretted about getting killed of early.

I believe I have 1 hr 45 min to make my final decision. I still think FF was most likely the murderer. I just am not sure if he would have turned Hay if he was. I need to reread and make sure I am comfortable with my vote.

 

[the wizard]

I agree with all that. It was just that you were so gung ho on FF aka Tigger. I wonder if FF is not fighting to keep Hay alive.

I have been wondering about that myself. Another problem I have though is his admiration for LR. Then there was his post about coming back when his brain fired on all 4 cylinders. LR made a similar post when she got home from her trip.

I can see Hay being turned as a fairly competent player but not one we would suspect right away. I just don't know if FF would think that way when LR is also in the game.