Mafia 80: Ghost Hunters

[jpappy789]

I think that if Bally flips scum, that there is a good chance Hay is too.

Vote Count...

Bally-(2)- UN, Noods

Bally drew two quick votes after the issue with JB.

Hey everyone, just got home from the snow, a long day. all i can say is wow. I currently beleive kash, that was a bold move and i beleive it has helped the town greatly at this point in time. Im still thinking about it though.

Bally - please tell me, if you are innocent, why are you sacrificing yourself. Dont let this game get you down. The first time i played i did the exact same, except i was evil. lol. Mafia is about mental strength and ingenuity - not making things difficult (unless of course your scum). If you are innocent, get out here and help the town, even if it looks like your going to get lynched. If you dont, my vote will be on you. You still have time to win me over.

Im not sure what went on with razz, i will re read and post if i dont fall asleep.

Hay comes back and tells Bally to keep playing. Understandable. He mentions Bally having to "win [him] over."

I questioned the part in bold, since it is a flat out lie. Hay has yet to answer it unless I missed it.

He also mentions Razz.

I think most use other then default but I don't know. I'm off to bed now. If neither Bally or razz show improvement or answers by morning one will be getting my vote. Goodnight all

Hay next says that Bally and Razz are his top suspects depending on who posts what.

Here are Bally's posts after Hay posts this...

I'm a she



Alright I'm going to explain this the best I can....

I had realized who I think to be a GH before night one, and he gave me the suspicion that UN was also a PR of some sort.Then when UN came out and made kinda RC it solidified what I thought from day 1 and I believed that I knew who two were. When he came out and said that JB wasn't a PR I believed him to be insinuating that JB was scum and he had investigated him. I know he never came out and said all of these things but that is how I was taking it. I never liked the whole weather thing, no point in rehashing it all, and then with the post Lab saying she'd pick JB as a partner. It all seemed to add up as scum to me.

-- I know all of these things aren't exactly as they happened in the thread. Order of posts, what was actually said etc.... But these are my thoughts as to why I voted JB --

I'm sorry I got frustrated. I really really hate being wrong and get extremely frustrated. Call it a complex.

Her explanation.

no worries piggy I've been called worse lol

so let me get what your saying.
You are saying that razz leaves when pap shows up and they haven't posted on the same page?

Stuff in response to NPR

Well from what I've seen, without going back through the thread, is that both Razz and Hay seem to pop in the thread throw a comment here or there and then disappear again. It is possible that either of them are afraid of pappy. He has them listed, along with myself, as a suspect he states that around post 970 I believe.

I personally don't like Hay's absence and his lack of contribution. I was wrong on my stand point on JB but at least I tried to help the town.

Now she mentions Razz and Hay as suspects

Razz saw that the link did show thunderstorms and still sat back quietly and allowed FF to be lynched. He did mention it but just allowed it to happen.
He does mention pappy in this thread and states that pappy should know his schedule and isn't posting because of school. I don't think it's logical to expect that since you played a game with someone they should memorize your schedule and remember it for future games.

Her "case" on Razz

yes, I can see that

Don't know what this was in response to anymore...irrelevant

Vote count...

Bally-(2)-UN, Noods

Raz-(1)-Pap

Bally is still leading the vote count, although it is early. Just for reference.

i was thinking about the whole Wiz thing.

I made a very weak and confusing case against JB and kash, a very through and thoughtful player, jumps on board with a very obscure reason of her own. Many vets saw the lack of logic in my post. Why didn't she?

kash not wiz sorry

Rambling about Kash

Vote count..

Bally-(1)-UN, Noods

Raz-(1)-Pap

Noods-(0)-Kash, Ninja

Pap-(2)-Kash, Wizard

Night fall in 2 hours

Closer to nightfall. Both Bally and Hay have yet to vote and Bally is no longer in the lead but still on the board.

Okay, goodmorning all. I slept in a bit, it's now 9 am. Yes NP I'm in a different time zone to you, hence why I go away for long periods of time - it's called sleep lol. About me being evil in a game. I was referring to the GS game. Sorry about that.

Noodles - still don't understand that whole accusation then retractions but i will re read.

Bally - thankyou for coming out and answering questions in depth. See it's not all doom and gloom. Thanks for helping.

Razz - dude, your whole last post "answering" questions was full of excuses and no content which is pretty much the final straw for me.

JP - as I understand it your a very smart player and you seem a little off this game ad others have stated. I'm still not sure though. I will keep an eye on it for now.

With that said I still don't like the play of razz, even with RL.

I vote to take the soul of razz.

Hay very easily excuses Bally because apparently she's helped enough.

Okay just read some of noodles posts. Kash, I can see where your coming from. But it is quiet likely she could have been swapped. Either that or she is playing as a much better evil. I'm still on the fence.

Hay is undecided on Kash's case.

Kash does make good arguments, but the fact that she followed me so easily onto JB doesn't sit right with me. She can read so deeply into LGs posts but doesn't see the discontinuity in mine when others clearly did. Which makes me hesistant to vote for pap.

Razz has been distant and hasn't been much help. Hay calls out Razz for not posting much, while at the same time Hay has done the same thing. He pops in to say why he can't be here or to have a few quick jabs at a player.

for now
I vote to take the soul of Hayden

So is Bally. Neither actually question anything in the case itself though.

Bally throws out a vote on Hay. At this point it was 3-3 between me and Razz.

I believe for one I've improved my helpfulness, a lot more than razz has and there is a lot more to vote on tonight than your reasons which puts you back in my mind.

Hay pushes back at Bally

Hayden hasn't really picked up his posting either. I think you are just following the crowd on your vote on Razz.

This is to NPR but again Bally calls Hay out

Oh good lord....one more time here LMAO!!!!

Bally-(1)-UN, Noods

Raz-(4)-Pap, Noods, Hay, Ninja

Noods-(0)-Kash, Ninja

Pap-(3)-Kash, Wizard, Rich

Hay-(2)-Bally, Razz

Razz is in the lead and Hay only has two votes.

I vote to take the soul of Hay

15 minutes before night. Hay is still safe and everyone has voted.

good points there, raz is almost as bad as Hay IMO.

My thoughts:

First off, both make up convient excuses to miss large amounts of game time. However, razz has responded to everything asked of him and has tried to help out the town. Hay has yet to post anything really signifigant IMO, and it's odd that people aren't grilling him as much as they are razz over it.


I retract my vote on bally, and vote to take the soul of Hay

7 minutes before night. A retraction after this point would have been a death sentence.

Vote count....

Bally-(0)-UN, Noods

Raz-(4)-Pap,Noods, Hay, Ninja

Noods-(0)-Kash, Ninja

Pap-(3)-Kash, Wizard, Rich

Hay-(4)-Bally, Razz, Chill, UN

For reference it did end up 4-4 between Razz and Hay with both on the other.

Wow, uh what a confusing night and I can't believe the town had two innocents up for lynch because of "lack of participation". There was lots of scummyness around. And kash, I don't know why but I believe you because I think there wasn't any turns tonight, therefore you stay the same. However i still don't see the logic behind not using the vial.

This is Hay's first post after night.

Do you have any thoughts Hay?

Bally picks up the distancing again by asking Hay what his thoughts are.

Yes I doubt you now. The way you acted before nightfall caught my attention. You jumped on me after voting for razz, why? Did you know she was innocent?

Hay continues it as well stating he was suspicious of Bally before nightfall.

razz is a he!
Me suspecting you as scum and then you voting Razz made me vote for you.

Bally goes after Hay again.

Yes, your right. But I voted for razz because of his answers to questions and excuses. I only kept my vote on him because it was 4 all and that would have killed me. I was concerned about ballys posts and you after your mistakes.

I believe this was to me questioning why voted Razz. Notice he says he kept his vote there because he would have died otherwise. Up until 15 minutes before nightfall with only one vote left he could have switched to Bally without dieing.

Bally, you don't sit right with me. You drove at JB and even said: "I'm confident your scum" to him. Then he gets lynched and you cop some heat, then you went into your little sympathy mood and started claiming your innocence but no one would listen etc etc. Then when that didn't work you came out and made some cases and done really good answers to people. This won a few people over, including me. Then last night you accuse me of not participating or helping the town, when for a whole day all you did is sympathy posts. There was so much going on last night and all you came up with was me not being helpful. This got a few others on me (maybe your team mates?) and I almost got lynched for reasons I cannot see that are valid. Your game so far had been quite scummy, therefore you have my vote for now:

I vote to take the soul of Bally

I Also find it interesting that Bally drives at people right before nightfall, when people don't have much time to think. Another reason why I think she is scum.

More on Bally

Well if you didn't skim you would know. I said if I took my vote off razz and onto Bally it would of killed me. I wanted to but it was 4 votes each.

His answer to UN who also questioned why he didn't switch. Pretty convenient.

 

[noodles62]

To expand on my concern with truthfulness Kash.

I didn't want to bold this as you had all ready placed your own emphasis here and I didn't want to lose it.

"and one thing I said there and in many other places was when evil, it often pays off to stick to the truth as close as possible. "

This is very sound advice and true regardless of whether you are good or evil. It would be particularly important if you had RC'd and were hoping to survive the evening and knew if you did you would have to convince the town you were still innocent. Yet I have seen at least three lies from you. A BS list, a commitment to use the vial, and a BS excuse that you were saving the vial for the town.

To be perfectly clear I haven't decided any of this makes you scum, but I guess you can understand if I'm hestiant to jump right in there with you.

I also am a little hesitant to jump right on board with Kashta. The bolded part from Chill above is pretty much what I feel as well. There just seems to be a lot of back tracking and double talk from her and it is making me uneasy....

I would like to see what she has to say in response to some of the questions others have asked her today....

 

[noodles62]

so if my count is correct, Bally has 2 votes and Pap has one.

I am just not really seeing a case for wither one at this point.....

 

[noodles62]

oops! "wither" = either!

 

[jpappy789]

Noods, who DO you suspect? You voted Bally at one point yesterday but retracted to give her the benefit of the doubt. Now that we're down another innocent, are you not even going to reconsider her as scum?

 

[Lady G]

Vote Count...

Pap-(1)-Kash

Bally-(2)-Hay, Pap

 

[Ninja Pigs Rock]

i just see hay as scum. He just doesnt post enough for me and gives questions half answers

I vote to take the soul of hay

 

[noodles62]

Noods, who DO you suspect? You voted Bally at one point yesterday but retracted to give her the benefit of the doubt. Now that we're down another innocent, are you not even going to reconsider her as scum?

It is certainly possible that she is scum, but I am just not seeing it right now. I dont think she was distancing. You presented a decent case, I just dont see it the same way.

 

[jpappy789]

Then, again, who do you actually suspect?

 

[Haydn24]

I think that if Bally flips scum, that there is a good chance Hay is too.



Bally drew two quick votes after the issue with JB.



Hay comes back and tells Bally to keep playing. Understandable. He mentions Bally having to "win [him] over."

I questioned the part in bold, since it is a flat out lie. Hay has yet to answer it unless I missed it.

He also mentions Razz.



Hay next says that Bally and Razz are his top suspects depending on who posts what.

Here are Bally's posts after Hay posts this...



Her explanation.





Stuff in response to NPR



Now she mentions Razz and Hay as suspects



Her "case" on Razz



Don't know what this was in response to anymore...irrelevant



Bally is still leading the vote count, although it is early. Just for reference.





Rambling about Kash



Closer to nightfall. Both Bally and Hay have yet to vote and Bally is no longer in the lead but still on the board.



Hay very easily excuses Bally because apparently she's helped enough.



Hay is undecided on Kash's case.



So is Bally. Neither actually question anything in the case itself though.

Bally throws out a vote on Hay. At this point it was 3-3 between me and Razz.



Hay pushes back at Bally



This is to NPR but again Bally calls Hay out



Razz is in the lead and Hay only has two votes.



15 minutes before night. Hay is still safe and everyone has voted.



7 minutes before night. A retraction after this point would have been a death sentence.



For reference it did end up 4-4 between Razz and Hay with both on the other.



This is Hay's first post after night.



Bally picks up the distancing again by asking Hay what his thoughts are.



Hay continues it as well stating he was suspicious of Bally before nightfall.



Bally goes after Hay again.



I believe this was to me questioning why voted Razz. Notice he says he kept his vote there because he would have died otherwise. Up until 15 minutes before nightfall with only one vote left he could have switched to Bally without dieing.





More on Bally



His answer to UN who also questioned why he didn't switch. Pretty convenient.

Well to answer your question simply, no I just suspect her and we aren't on a team together because I'm not even on a team. I did explain that evil thing and I was referring to the GS game. I feel she is chasing me with pretty poor reasons because she knows I'm innocent which makes me think she is scum. I could be wrong but that is where my vote is most likely staying