Mafia #89 Trouble in Kindergarten

[Dangerdoll]

This attitude is what I am talking about. Sarcasm doesn't become you. I have at least asked questions, what have you done?

well that's a good thing, because I wasn't trying to be sarcastic

Can you explain how you've come to this conclusion?

give me a bit, just finishing up dinner...

 

[jbradt]

Mr. Zaffy opens up the window by his desk and sets his table fan to blow outside. As he lights his Cuban cigar he grumbles at jb, "I can't be expected to know all of your little brat names. Get out construction paper and some paste. I want a full 1/36th scale model of st. Peters. Basilica or you all get f's."

ok, I think I will keep my vote where it is. I had some thoughts on moving it to Ice or Noods but my gut is still saying Wiz.... btw, wiz, would you care to show how many times I've used gut too?

I feel like Ice is being protective over Wiz without trying to be obvious and it seems like he is trying to push the heat off of him,

With Noods, I feel like your whole game is unfocused, might be because of home stuff, maybe just a ruse... I dunno but it's something to watch, just not something to vote on because I am unsure about it.

Here's my Wiz quotes with thoughts:


Do you honestly think that I would put myself out like that with posting she "almost" got my vote... and then taking her out from behind the scenes?...

so using the word "sketch" means someone is "nervous"... ok....



how ironic is it that my pointing out that your first post after last night's recess call was also that something bothered me about your post... hence, a gut feeling...

my vote stays for now.

I'm not seeing this one either, DD. Which is not to say I trust eihter one, but I don't see it.

 

[the wizard]

What is the matter DD?

Why can't you answer my question?

What have you done to help the town?

 

[rich311k]

I cant see what either DD or Wiz are seeing. Seems to be they are sniping at each other for not very much reason. So far I have gotten they have both had gut feelings and they are voting each other because of it.

 

[Dangerdoll]

I was finishing up billing and dinner stuff, Wiz... I am going to gather what brought me to my thoughts on Ice, and then I will get to your question (that was not sarcastic) <--that in parens might have been though

 

[IceH2O]

Someone needs to move, we have a 3 way tie of Me Noods and Rich. I'm not voting myself lol and I won't move to Rich to save myself as I stated earlier, I don't have enough on him. I do understand his thought process even though he is wrong.

 

[jbradt]

I'm a little worried that there is a tie between Rich and Noods this close to recess. Keep in mind that a tie results in no lynch. I hate to say it, but I think I'd rather be wrong than to not lynch anyone at all. Then we learn even less than we did last night. I'm tempted to vote Noods just to break the tie, but I thought I'd put it out there for the singleton voters to ponder first.

 

[Kashta]

I disagree, day one, UN was a perfect place for a bully vote. Kashta you just said we hardly ever get day one right.

There is a hint of a reason, all that is ever really needed. UN was voting a very possible UD and he is good at getting into trouble on day one add that he was not very active, perfect safe vote and you get an innocent to boot.

I think a single vote by a late voter sends up more flags than a third vote on UN, especially with a reason to throw out there.

I also thing scum does not just want to hide they look for an easy kill. They got UN.

I vote to lynch Ice.

He fits everything I just said.

IMO the ideal situation from the scum side is to let the town lynch one of their own with no interference from the mafia at all. Then for the town to blame the specific innocents who voted that dead townie. This increases the odds that the town will kill off another innocent the next night too and we gain no evidence through posts or vote analysis that leads us back to an evil.

Red Text -- The "perfect safe vote" for an evil, therefore, is to avoid voting someone the scum knows will flip innocent. They still get "an innocent to boot" and have misdirected us to go after another innocent or two for the next night's lynch.

One dead innocent is just as good as another for the scum team when they haven't had a chance to ID any of the townie PRs yet. Username doesn't strike me as particularly dangerous to the opposing side either, so I fail to see any reason a scum player would put their name on UN's lynch unless they had to for some other reason... For example, if there was a fellow mafia player in the running for lynch (which there wasn't in this case), that would be good reason to make sure the townie dies instead. UN just wasn't a threat to anyone from anything I could see.

Blue Text - Rich who exactly are you talking about here? You later made that sound like a reference to Ice (with your vote) but Noods makes a much better "fit" there.

--> I think a single vote by a late voter (Noods voting Wizard 4 min before nightfall) sends up more flags than a third vote on UN (Ice was the 3rd vote on UN), especially with a reason to throw out there.

Green Text - If I'm reading you right, you seem to believe UN's lynch was deliberately orchestrated by scum and innocent townies had nothing to do with it.

Purple Text - Ice doesn't fit everything you said. What you said is a jumble between Noods and Ice.

 

[Kashta]

I would like to apologize for my lack of participation this round! Even though reading through it looks as though I am not the only one, this is proving to be very difficult as there isn't much to go on.


My vote didn't count and it wasn't actually single, so I guess I don't need to answer this huh?

I would like to know from those who voted UN their reasons personally.


Kash, although I see your point here...this post is kinda bothersome, you know as well as I that when it comes to UN, most the time he ends up getting him self in trouble, and he is normally a easy one to get a "train" going on. Yes, I know there wasn't a train on him, not my point...I just know he can be a easy one to throw a vote on, sit back, and watch the votes go right to him. I agree with Noods on this that it is VERY likely at least one bully was on him. I highly doubt more then one, but anything is possible in these games.

So is this what you're saying?

1. (Red) Wizard is the one you suspect for putting an early vote on UN then sitting back to let innocents lynch him.

2. (Blue) You think it VERY likely at least 1 bully voted UN. So that means you think it's unlikely all three of them could have been innocent and the scum merely did nothing to draw attention to themselves?

I see both possibilities as being equally possible. This makes it hard for me to base tonight's vote on those 3 votes against UN all by themselves. That also makes it difficult for me not to be suspicious of those using that as the reason they give to justify their vote tonight.

 

[Kashta]

A vote late like Ice's would have been on someone random to me would be more noticeable than his vote on UN was.

HUH? Rich, have you been drinking already? :laugh:

It made sense to me. A random late vote would send up more flags that his vote on UN did. I do not see what is confusing.

Ice didn't make a late random vote. Ice made a late vote switch.

Had Ice wanted to avoid notice altogether he could have simply done nothing and left his vote on FF instead of switching it.