Mafia 92: Night of the living Mafia... the play

[Kashta]

So I wonder, what "compelled" DD to vote JM just before nightfall. My name wasn't on the list yet, but there was already a vote by 2H sitting on Noods. DD could have reasonably voted there without drawing much attention to herself. (This was while Razz still only had 2 votes himself.)

Oh, I know what it was. Since JM already had 2 votes and you included him in your post already... a vote placed there created that tie between JM and C-Note which totally negated any possibility of a lynch at all.

Very anti-town move on your part; though I'm sure you were ready to "pretend" you didn't know what the vote count was if anyone called you out for it.

Not only would you have managed to block the town lynch by creating that tie, you would be further distancing yourself from JM in the process.

 

[Kashta]

I vote to lynch Ice.

I think he was soft on crime, I feel like his comments were intended to look like he suspected Razz, but I don't believe him.

well, Ice was on Mad.... but what makes you say that, D-Day? What did he say that made you not believe him?

The ever faithful DD attempts to "innocently" challenge someone voting her teammate.

 

[Kashta]

I really think that we should look into a few of the buried votes that were placed right near nightfall...
2H, why noods?
Kash, why 2H?

JM wasted no time trying to direct the town's attention against Noods and me... immediately after nightfall was over.

Woo hoo, we got one! Guess Razz's slips were truly slips. Thanks for pushing Noods Mad, and very sorry to lose you.

Pretty much Noods is a townie imo. No scum would have made that move to vote off their teammate. I really need to go back and look at Ice. The lone votes really stand out too.

Labby's initial reaction was that Noods isn't scum.

So....

or, noods sealed the deal to distance herself and make herself look innocent. this would be a perfect opportunity to clear herself if she was the deciding vote that not only prevented a tie (i.e. no lynching), but by breaking that tie she killed off a mafia member. quite a few were looking at razz, and had the lynch been prevented, and Mad come up innocent because of the hit, i would go as far to say that razz would have likely been subject to similar voting conditions at the next nightfall, with a tie if not in the lead for the lynch. maybe noods and razz figured as such, and used the opportunity to make noods look great.

JM stepped right in to raise as much doubt about Noods as he possibly could.

 

[Kashta]

DD, do you actually suspect Noods or is this post just to clarify your statements before nightfall?

I would hardly call the first instance you quote a "slip". The sentence doesn't even make sense really without the word Noods forgot and then corrected.

Your explanation as to how it could be construed makes no sense either as Noods specifically said "Being one townie from the get go sucks". If she is scum, and slipped up, why would she say that? Wouldn't the scum be glad FF quit?



Kash's vote was about 5.5 hours before nightfall, note even close to "right near" nightfall. Why would you include hers?

Thank you for noticing the actual timing didn't match the case JM was trying to push right there, Pappy. I'm glad somebody asked the question since I wasn't here to ask it myself.

Thinking about it now, it was something else about Kash's vote earlier in the day...that was a late post last night and i had forgotten to say why i included that one as well. overall, i think that Kash buried that vote on 2H with a haphazard case that was rushed and not thought through. Kash isnt playing the game she usually does, and it seems strange to me

Tell me something, JM. When a player is forced to place an early, premature Day 1 vote to avoid UDing from the game because they won't get online again before nightfall comes, what else would you expect them to do??

And, exactly, how does that make that player evil?

 

[Kashta]

I'm going to take a very brief nap now before going to work.... (uggh!)

The way JM has targeted me so many times to characterize me as scum, I feel I have a stronger case against him than DD (who's also tried doing the same thing) or Ice. So that is where I'm going to leave my vote this morning.

I will do the best I can to sneak onto the thread briefly during the work day... just to see what's going on. Never know what new developments may come to light.

My suspects are duly stated and my reasons provided. If I manage to get back on in time before nightfall tonight and a vote switch is needed to break a tie or whatever, I'll feel comfortable switching my vote to either DD or Ice at this point.

 

[the wizard]

You got me curious. What "few things," Wizard? And what did you decide when you went back to check out my posts? I don't remember seeing you mention it.

As you know, my time to read the thread has been limited to in the morning while waking up and later at night after a long day. This fact does not lend itself to the most alert mind you can have while looking for subtleties in someone's posts.

Your posts at that point had raised points that I hadn't noticed when I had read those posts before so I wanted to go back and look into other players to see if I had missed anything.

Specifically, I wanted to look at the posts made by Mad, Ice, Dawg, and JP. These are some of the most active players we have and I can never tell by their posts if they are scum or not. I generally have to go with a gut feeling on them. What I figured from looking back at their posts is this:

Mad- We already know Mad was innocent but at the time as I had stated before, I wasn't sure. It has been so long since I played with him I couldn't remember how he played on either side of the fence. I therefore decided to wait and see with him.

Ice- Having been where Ice is now, I can totally understand and believe the reason he gave for the gang buster approach he took early in D1 and his aggressive play. The only thing I could see in his posts was the distant third for Razz that many have commented on. With so little to go on from his posts, I can't just arbitrarily call him scum.
That said, I still do not get a "warm fuzzy" feeling from him so again, I just need to wait.

JP- After reading through I would have to say that JP is genuinely trying to root out scum. His posts have been thorough and I cannot see from his posting where anything has slipped by that he hasn't noticed. JP is one of the few that I would feel comfortable calling innocent.

Dawg- Also one that I have never caught when scum but I do think he is helping the town. I do lean him innocent.

Those four players are what I was referring to when I responded to Dawg's post.

I wasn't talking about looking at your posts as there weren't very many to look into anyway. Believe me, when you post something that strikes me as odd, and you will some day, I will be all over you like ugly on an ape.

 

[the wizard]

While on the subject of other players, I may as well post a few more thoughts.

JM- As I mentioned, I think JM may be rusty due to not having played recently, but I did notice when he was posting about Noods knocking off a team mate to make herself clear in the eyes of the town. DD has made sure she has used this in her attempts to build a case on Noods, oops I mean in her attempts to NOT build a case on Noods right DD?
Yes that move has been done before. Not by Noods, Ice would do it without batting an eye and has admitted to doing it. It is not something I could believe Noods would do. I can see the possibility of JM posting in the den but I really believe DD and CN are the most blatant and best suspects so that is where my focus is at this time.

Rich- what can I say? The one time I thought I had Rich pegged as scum from his posts, I was wrong and the town lost an innocent. I have no clue which side he is on.

While it is too early to give anyone a free pass without JB coming out and stating they are innocent I would have to say that Noods is also one I would feel comfortable with calling innocent. Not so much for sealing Razz's fate, Mad had as much to do with that as Noods did, but for the way DD spent so much energy "not building a case" on her. She so desparately wants us to know that scum would sacrifice a team mate.

Dang it time to run. I think DD is my best suspect and feel good with my vote where it is. Might be back before Nightfall because of the extra hour but you never know.

 

[TwoHobbies]

2H, what about FF and Razz's play made you think they were innocent? I'm curious as to how you had anyone pegged as innocent on D1...even more curious that according to your own wording you weren't even leaning them innocent.



I also find it interesting that you admit your vote was on a "secondary level player." Why didn't you vote for your top suspect, is that not how one is supposed to play the game?

And if your vote on Noods wasn't in fact for your top player on your list, who was your top suspect?



What about Wiz's vote on FF, did that bother you at all?

Your just reading into my post now and spinning them. I never said anyone was pegged as innocent. I tend to make people innocent or guilty on my list and then juggle them back and forth as the game goes on.

We all know FF likes to post. I thought he would have placed the "I don't want to play" post in the scum den and someone there would have just told him to lay low, but don't quit.
Razz I could see a case on, but I myself have gotten in trouble before on day one as a townee and I was willing to give him a day one bye.

Yes, later in the game, but it was day one. I didn't have a top suspect!!! I wouldn't have placed a vote if it wasn't required to not UD.

No, as a matter of fact it didn't.

 

[dirtydawg10]

JP, I do agree with some of your points on the concerns you have. I voted CN yesterday and had some concern that it would bite me on the butt as a lone vote. However, CN was my best suspect.

Therefore 2h not voting his best suspect did catch my eye.

To be honest I didn't notice Tanks posts.

As for JM I think he is rusty, don't know of his allegiance but DD and CN are my best suspects and if I am right on them, and the game is still going I think I would rather have JM as the last remaining scum than someone like Ice.

Just wish we knew how many we are facing.

Wiz, this line has me baffled. OK so we killed off one scum (Razz). Then your line sounds like you would like to kill off DD and CN, so that's 3. If you are right on them you would rather kill Ice and leave JM as the last remaining scum? That means you think there are 5 scum? Then you say you wish you knew how many we were facing. Sounds like in your previous statement you think we are facing 5. Could you clarify your thinking here...I may have it confused. The more I read it the more I come up with other possibilities of its meaning.

 

[TwoHobbies]

2H - I am not getting your logic at all. You decided to make a safe vote because you are usually wrong on day one? Everyone usually is, I cant see going with te one you think is the most likely scum.

Hey you called me 2H....catch yourself did ya?

Rich I think you are reading into Pap's posts. I didn't have a LIKELY SCUM. I had a small list of what I called "secondary players". I chose Noodles from that group.