Sturisoma breeding consistently in EI dosed aquarium

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Some folk seem to think that EI dosing is harmful to fish, well, I've been breeding these guys for the last 6 months and rearing the fry in the tank water, the nice clean quarantine tanks and well cycled filters etc? the fry all die. I've tried 2 dozen different ways. If I simply float a nursery tank , they all do excellent, zero loss, if I move to a nice clean system, I might get 1 out of 50.

So, the richer nutrients seem to help more than hurt.

Regardless of the causes for each case, the fact remains...........the nutrients do not affect the fish eggs, fry, adults in any negative way that is observable.

So why do folks worry about ferts, ppm's of NO3, PO4 so much?

I understand a tighter tolerance for a Reef for PO4 etc...but Freshwater?

Folks say there is risk, I've yet to be able to verify this and I've been at it for 15 years, Discus, Apisto's, Shrimps etc......all breed etc.

New fish on the block: Betta macrostoma, have a nice 20 Gal for that pair.
 
Pics are helpful eh?


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The betta tank: The new tank, this has liberal dosing, but is 100% non cO2, no Excel dosing etc.
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I'd wanted to raise Zebra plecos, but they grow very slow and I moved them to a quarantine tank to feed them more/faster and keep a good eye till they are of breeding size, they grow slow.
 
Nice, very nice! But you already know that don't ya? :D
 
Slappy*McFish said:
Who doesn't ;)
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Breed them I meant.........I have 9, but have raised them from little babies up to about 2", still have another 1-2 years before they mature.
Sort of a boring fish behaviorally.

Sturisoma? Heck, they romp around all day, nice diurnal fish, look like the fish that emulated and mimic wood branches.
 
Tom, what's the plant in your betta tank?

Mark
 
Pennywort, Xmas moss, Anubias petite, a little bit of Bolbitus, Anubias coffeefolia.

I scaped off the eggs since they mostly get eaten as the fry newly hatch by the tetras......this led to a 100% survivorship.
I wait till 1 day before most hatch, then place in the tray. I'll see how well this batch does.

The others have doubled or more in size and are eating well, so this will be the second batch using this method.
 
I support this. Off the top of my head, I have bred Panda cories, Angels, Dwarf gouramis and endlers in EI tanks over the past 10 years and never had a problem.
 
247Plants said:
I support this. Off the top of my head, I have bred Panda cories, Angels, Dwarf gouramis and endlers in EI tanks over the past 10 years and never had a problem.
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But but but.....it's not a control ,rigorous peer review study! You cannot possibly learn or conclude anything without setting th bar that high for any hobbyists!

Well, some have stated that, hehe.......

I beg to differ...........I think Hobbyists can challenge and address the myths in this hobby and the ones who have mastered things are the one's to listen to, not the hacks.
I can say CO2 is the no#1 killer and stress to planted tank fish.............

Stat's do not lie.

And yet..........folks carry on about NO3 and the need to do water changes or dose tiny bits etc.......

I ask them where are the risk and at what ppm's will I see a negative response?
Have you tried it yourself?? etc........

I scraped off the remaining eggs, they all hatched and seem to be doing well, I have 2 batches in the tray and melted small holes into a new waiting tray.

60 new fry, no tetras ate them this time since I scraped them off the glass right before they would hatch anyway, to the 14 I had before.
The methods have been improved for rearing and getting more to survive.

I have nothing to lose here either. the old way lost most of them anyhow, might as well do some treatments and see if there is any merit, often is the case..........there is no effect.

But a good myth is hard to kill, very hard.
 
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