A Matter of Perspective

[dundadundun]

all people will agree that the image of "ocean" ussually corresponds with that of "blue". Therefore Oceans are blue.

this definitely depends on perspective... or at least timing and location. i have seen brown ocean waves with a white froth when the wave breaks just one state east of mine. due to this and year after year of reports of used hypodermic needles washing on shore, i prefer the actual blue waters of the ocean at least 2 states south of here.

a particular "hit" television show doesn't help much, either.

 

[jetajockey]

What we call something does not change what it is

I agree but I don't think that was the issue. It's about individual perspective of that 'something'. Eyewitness testimony from multiple parties is an example of people witnessing something yet still seeing things differently.

 

[Fishfriend1]

Color is more than a thought. It exists whether someone is looking at it or not. By that assessment, you could label anything in the physical world as a 'creation of the brain'.

Unique or not, human beings are very similar in construct, so they should all be seeing 'generally' the same thing.

What evidence do you have to support your idea? Is this just conjecture?

I do think that the world is made by our perception of it. I think the world doesn't exist beyond our perception of it. If someone is blind then color does not exist for them. They cannot perceive it, thus it does not exist. Same if they are deaf, cannot taste, or cannot smell. The only evidence I have for this is theory, I doubt it is possible to prove one way or another that humans see different "colors" and simply call them the same name. We almost certainly can't prove that the world is nothing except our perception of it. That's why this is called "A Matter of Perspective".

"A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet"

I don't think roses smell sweet, I don't like their smell at all. So that statement is false already, for roses are not sweet (TO ME).

My point was that even if humans are all unique that we still are very similar and generally see the same things. Someone may not see colors exactly like you do, but it's usually pretty close.

Language is one thing, and the names of colors are how we define each one that we see.

That's kind of far off from the OP claim of everyone seeing the world differently. That's fair, but my question is how much different? I don't think it's that different, otherwise it would be difficult to set standards.

Ah, but we all agree on the same "standard" name for something different. Anyway, I can't answer how much different, as it could very well be completely different or very similar. The Sporewiki Color Debate didn't delve that deep into the details.

Blue is "blue" because that's the name asociated with it. It's just a superficial name, like how english calls cats cats, and spainish calls cats gatos. It's just a placeholder for the image, all people will agree that the image of "ocean" ussually corresponds with that of "blue". Therefore Oceans are blue.

HA! Oceans? BLUE? That's a good one. The oceans near me are all brown or green, I only ever saw a "blue" ocean when I went to Bermuda, and that was nice

 

[Fractalis]

I don't think roses smell sweet, I don't like their smell at all. So that statement is false already, for roses are not sweet (TO ME).

i was quoting romeo and juliet

romeo was saying in that scene that he would love juliet regardless of name or relatives

 

[SubRosa]

do think that the world is made by our perception of it. I think the world doesn't exist beyond our perception of it. If someone is blind then color does not exist for them. They cannot perceive it, thus it does not exist. Same if they are deaf, cannot taste, or cannot smell. The only evidence I have for this is theory, I doubt it is possible to prove one way or another that humans see different "colors" and simply call them the same name. We almost certainly can't prove that the world is nothing except our perception of it. That's why this is called "A Matter of Perspective".



By that standard the world didn't exist until you were born. I assure you it did.

 

[SubRosa]

The idea that perception creates reality is an illusion that some folks use to empower themselves. They see that they have very little control of the events which impact their lives and a concept like this is makes them feel as if they have a level of control that they really don't.

 

[Inka4040]

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[Fishfriend1]

i was quoting romeo and juliet

romeo was saying in that scene that he would love juliet regardless of name or relatives

And I was making a point that everything is a matter of perception.

do think that the world is made by our perception of it. I think the world doesn't exist beyond our perception of it. If someone is blind then color does not exist for them. They cannot perceive it, thus it does not exist. Same if they are deaf, cannot taste, or cannot smell. The only evidence I have for this is theory, I doubt it is possible to prove one way or another that humans see different "colors" and simply call them the same name. We almost certainly can't prove that the world is nothing except our perception of it. That's why this is called "A Matter of Perspective".


By that standard the world didn't exist until you were born. I assure you it did.

Not to me it didn't. The trick with that particular theory is that it seems self-disproving when someone else who's older says it's not true. Besides that, I think on slightly different terms then that. I think that reality is generated by minds, and that as long as minds exist to percieve the world it will exist. It doesn't matter what minds percieve the world, so long as some form of self aware being exists. Thats all theory of course, sort of like religion isn't provable neither is it.

 

[SubRosa]

And I was making a point that everything is a matter of perception.



Not to me it didn't. The trick with that particular theory is that it seems self-disproving when someone else who's older says it's not true. Besides that, I think on slightly different terms then that. I think that reality is generated by minds, and that as long as minds exist to percieve the world it will exist. It doesn't matter what minds percieve the world, so long as some form of self aware being exists. Thats all theory of course, sort of like religion isn't provable neither is it.

Actually it proves one thing Travis. You have too much free time.

 

[Fractalis]

lol