Mafia 95 - "Mayor's Mansion" (The Play)

[Chill]

So who would you have switched to instead and why did you ultimately stay on DD if there wasn't any reason for the initial vote?

I don't see anything that would have Wiz leaning you innocent from less recent posts, which were mostly banter.



So why would DD vote spence to save him (which doesn't make sense), and then have Dawg not break the tie and vote somewhere else? Thats a pretty lame attempt to save a teammate.



Then why categorize him in the first place? Your decision to include Chill on your "leaning innocent" list still makes no logical sense other that you just took whomever voted DD with you and added spencer because you still believe that he is innocent without any solid proof.

If Pir had voted I would have maintained the tie. I didn't move cause I had no stronger feel for either of the two on the block.

 

[Rbishop]

candles..especially melting ones are always relevant...

 

[the wizard]

There is a way Wiz could know for a fact that FF and Spencer were both innocent.

Really Labby, that is a stretch. You are smarter than this. I have played enough to know what I was opening myself up for.

Question for you wiz. Why is it that every time you are questioned you bring up the fact that you thought the scum liked the way thing were going last night and that an innocent would be lynched? even though you were correct don't fall back on it like it makes you a guaranteed innocent. The more you rely on your accomplish ments and not your game play the more scummy you look to me. plus maybe you are scum and you knew the two on the block were innocent and you just wanted to look good.

I answered questions that were put to me. If you don't want the same answers quit asking the same questions.

Frankly, I am tired of repeating myself.

I saw something that didn't sit well with me (based on experience from past games). I believed it enough to offer myself up for today's lynch if I was wrong. Yes I stuck my neck out pretty far (sometimes you have to do that).

I took a mighty big risk to keep the town from making what I thought would be a mistake. I just forgot how complacent some can be as long as it isn't their own neck in the noose.

If trying to keep the town from lynching an innocent is scummy then lynch me and see what turns up.

 

[allaboutfish]

i think the mayore forgot to pay the electricity bill. i dont know how im gonna hop around in the dark.

 

[the wizard]

If Pir had voted I would have maintained the tie. I didn't move cause I had no stronger feel for either of the two on the block.

Chill, if Pir would have voted just before Kashta called night, how could you have had enough time to retract your vote and vote the correct player to maintain the tie?

 

[Madcrawdad]

Man, lots of posts to read through for early D2. Looking back through D1, though, I find Wiz's behavior to be interesting. In addition to trying to create a sense of urgency to lynch scum on D1, he seems to do a complete 180 on a couple of issues.

Now, all townies want to lynch scum on D1, but it rarely happens. Sometimes it happens, but it's really rare. Wiz's whole "Nobody's talking, so scum are happy that we're on the wrong track," is just odd. He repeats it over and over as night approaches, trying to create some sort of urgency on Day 1.

Additionally, he goes from "FF's usually scum when quiet" and beating on and voting FF to "FF's up for the lynch just because he's FF." Goes so far as to basically scream "The kid is innocent" prior to nightfall. Also changes from claiming to want a 2-man runoff to instead wanting folks to spread out the vote. Just odd, if he truly wanted the 2 man runoff when he said it.

Agreement with someone that FF is "usually scum" when quiet

Checking in before work.

Still nothing from FF and NPR.

I have to agree, when quiet like this FF is usually scum.

More evidence for Wiz that FF is scummy.

Well, I just have to say that I am not buying it. (FF's story that is.)

He explains his absence with school and work. Chill posts times that he was posting in other threads and FF back pedals.

Something is fishy in Denmark and I am not talking about the cod. :headshake2:

Wiz doesn't find FF as being very "Go Town!

You started playing the same time I did. It seems there are a lot of holes in your posts lately. Could it be you are the one who screwed up?

I am not getting a very "go town" vibe from you FF.

Wiz votes for FF after giving lots of reasons to this point.

Looking back I see no other place than to eliminate FF.

His wishy-washy scheduling, his lame excuse for suspecting AAF and then voting Pir.

I vote to lynch FF

If something else comes up between now and tomorrow I will change but short of Labby admitting her scumminess (she already admitted not knowing Tommy Tutone, and her obvious disbelief in Star Trek) I doubt it.

Wiz says that it's becoming more unlikely that he'll move his vote from FF...

I don't know if my vote is on a good choice or not, but, with each post you make I am becoming more convinced it isn't going to move.

Another post solidifying his position on FF

Again going back to your vote post.

I always thought that the object was to vote the one you thought most likely scum. Have I been playing incorrectly all along?

You have since noted that by the end of this post you thought Pir to be scummier. Please explain on what basis. From what I read in your post I don't see anything to base a vote on.

While it is true, that Pir said he didn't see anything to comment on, that could be due to not being able to see the questionable posting in banter. It also could be due to not actually reading the posts and just skimming the thread.

I don't know, but I don't believe it is a vote worthy offense at this point. I have seen you state bigger offenses as not being vote worthy.

As it stands right now it looks like you are the runaway favorite for the lynch. If you are innocent, you have just under 8 hours to correct your game and show why we shouldn't be lynching you.

While it is true that we have more players this go round, if Kashta based the number of scum on percentage of players then we still cannot really afford to lynch an innocent on D1.

The clock is ticking FF.

Wiz accusing FF of "flat out" lying

Unless I do not speak and comprehend English, FF flat out lied. I know that he is gone now and won't be able to respond before nightfall but, I have a major concern here.

FF said he didn't say spencer was scummy but, that he looked scummy. The above posts show that to be a lie.

Now on to my concern, we have less than 4.5 hours to nightfall. There is not a lot of activity going on in the game right now.

Usually that means that the scum are pleased with the way things are going. I would interpret that as we have decided to lynch an innocent. If FF is innocent then he has once again screwed the town by making D1 the FF show.

FF, being the center of attention in these games does not help the town and you have played enough to know this. I for one am tired of missing scum D1 because you insist on posting so much contradictory crap.

If you never thought him to be scum, then why did you say it?

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Now here Wiz pulls of FF all because it's "too quiet." Nevermind that he said that when FF is quiet that he's "usually scum". Also accused him of flat out lying. But a quiet Saturday afternoon somehow convinced Wiz that FF wasn't scum. Odd. Do any vets really see a scum team trying to run around and save FF (if scum), especially on D1?

I need to rethink this day and look past FF.

As I stated, it is too quiet for us to be on target here. I can see the case against Spencer for his refusing to admit his error when the facts were shown to him about the pm and when the game started.

I also am not completely satisfied with DD's answer to Dawg's question on calling out AAF over the banter issue. Her response to me about not seeing it as opportunistic or contradictory seems kind of convenient for her IMO.

For now, I retract my vote to lynch FF.

It may return there but something just doesn't look right.

Something odd is that here, Wiz is up for a two person runoff for the D1 lynch...on D1?

I was thinking a run off between the two would give us a better chance of hitting scum but, you have a very valid point here.

I wish Labby would post one of her theories so I would have a reason to vote her.

:lipssealedsmilie:

Here Wiz votes for DD on a weak gut feeling. According to Wiz, FF's history shows that FF is quiet when scum, FF flat out lied, but he's willing to chase DD on a weak gut feel. Something's off.

I too have an issue with voting DD at this time, but from what I can see, she is my best suspect. It is not however a strong case. It is more of a gut feel.

I do not like this one little bit. Less than 3 hours to go. I really believe we are playing into the scums hands tonight.

My case is weak. I have stated that before. I also have this gnawing in my gut and at the back of my mind. The best I can come up with at this time is.......

I vote to lynch DD

For suspicion stated earlier. I really do believe she is trying to subtly put innocents out there for suspicion.

When questioned the other night, she disappeared. The first thought that came to mind was that her absence was just long enough to collaborate in the scum den to come up with a response.

I hope we get this right tonight.

Just an odd post for D1. "It's going to be a chain smoking nightfall to be sure." Why the heck is Wiz acting so stressed out for D1 nightfall? We almost never hit scum, but Wiz needs a crutch to get through it? It just seems put on to me.

I am off to get some cigarettes. It is going to be a chain smoking nightfall to be sure.

Hopefully there will be something to look into when I return.

Here's Wiz again saying "quiet board means happy scum."

Should we start calling you DD Jr? it is 8-7 with FF taking the honors.

Doesn't it bother you at all that it has been as quiet as it has so close to nightfall?

Doesn't it make you even entertain the thought that maybe the scum are liking how things are going?

Again.

If the scum are liking it, then it stands to reason as JB said the possibility is there that both are innocent does it not?

Now he says "spread the votes." Interesting when he thought a 2 man runoff might be in order when he pulled off of FF.

I say spread the votes out. Don't give the scum a place to hide. Make them scramble to save their own. Someone will get lynched tonight that is a gaurantee. Read the rules Noods. There is no tie=no lynch rule.

Quiet board means happy scum again. Wiz knows this for a fact, evidently.

And you are fine with the fact that the scum are happy? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Another "spread the vote" after his initial thought that a 2 man runoff was a good idea.

AAF, my post was to Noods.

But since you mention it let me state this. We always run the risk of lynching townies. Percentages alone tell us that. Because generally there are about 75% more of them.

If, however, our votes are spread out; we also have a better chance of hitting scum. If they have to scramble to save one of their own that is evident in late vote switches. Get the picture?

Quiet board = happy scum...

To be honest, with as quiet as it is, I would be very surprised if we have a scum member on the block right now.

Same.

I am basing my thoughts not on their posting, but on the lack of posting from everyone else. It gives me an uneasy feeling when the scum are not active this close to night. The majority of the time it means we have two innocents up for lynch. You should know this by now.

Complete reversal on his earlier FF position about FF usually being scum when quiet. Now apparently FF was "just being FF." What about the quiet part, Wiz that you said usually means that he's scum?

That is true, we do have a few players than can be quite vocal when scum and get away with it. Not very many though.

To be honest, I think FF is there because he is FF. He thrives on being center stage and that gets him lynched.

I think Spence is there because he is a newb. I would bet he hasn't read any games prior to this one and did not know what he was getting into.

If I am wrong I would be extremely surprised.

Now justifying his DD vote and saying that Labby agrees with him. Who cares if Labby agrees with Wiz? Why even bring it up?

That is where my gut led me.

Labby also stated she was getting a scum vibe from DD.

More D1 urgency posts... Too quiet, happy scum, etc.

That is why I voted FF to begin with. The apparent satisfaction with how things were going lynch wise is what started getting me nervous. I would be much more comfortable if the scum were scrambling.

However, with the number of viewers this thread has had all day, and the relative low posting, I don't think they are the least bit nervous.

Thus my initial vote. I still find it hard to believe that you are not disturbed that maybe the scum are liking this.

Noods, what makes no sense is for every one to remain silent and not question why the scum are pleased. It makes no sense if you do question why they are pleased to not look for some other place to vote in order to cause them some discomfort.

I have been saying this most of the day and it apparently has fallen on deaf ears.

I have done what I can but if the rest of the town isn't willing to try to help themselves I am not going to kill myself trying to save them.

Looks like we have a coin toss coming. Just remember what I said. I will be surprised if we get scum.

Trust me JB, I would love to see FF gone for the way he posted. I would rather feel comfortable thinking we have scum up for the lynch. My gut tells me that isn't the case tonight.

If we get scum tonight (remember it is between spence and FF) I will not argue being up for the lynch and will vote DD immediately after.

After D1, I'm kinda like Wiz for a suspect.

 

[jpappy789]

I have already stated that we won't know for sure with spence until his role is revealed. I also stated that categorizing Chill as I did was an attempt(lame as it may be but anything to help in a game this size) at reducing the number to look at. It seems that you are splitting hairs here JP.

Let me ask you this. Does it not seem to you that the scum team seemed satisfied with the way the lynch was going last night?

It's not splitting hairs. You named people as "leaning innocent" immediately after one nightfall. I repeat, one nightfall. The only conceivable reason for Chill was that he voted DD with you despite having no reason to, as he has pretty much said himself.

There is no reason to try to cross people off the list yet. You've played enough games to know that anyone is suspect at this point in the game.

I don't try to understand what may be going on behind the scenes. I don't think FF is immune from the scum team throwing him under the bus. It's nice to look back and say you were right but FF screwed up big time and unfortunately he constituted much of the D1 talk.

If Pir had voted I would have maintained the tie. I didn't move cause I had no stronger feel for either of the two on the block.

Was there any reason you chose DD as the placeholder vote?

 

[Rbishop]

Even for a Day 2, a higher number player game gets really hard to get a scum..just an opinion. Especially if the Mod went to the lower side of a 25/75 split, which isn't uncommon with limited town PRs.


Mad, your comments do make me somewaht reconsider Wiz's comments over post 707/713 with chill....

 

[spencerguy1]

Man, lots of posts to read through for early D2. Looking back through D1, though, I find Wiz's behavior to be interesting. In addition to trying to create a sense of urgency to lynch scum on D1, he seems to do a complete 180 on a couple of issues.

Now, all townies want to lynch scum on D1, but it rarely happens. Sometimes it happens, but it's really rare. Wiz's whole "Nobody's talking, so scum are happy that we're on the wrong track," is just odd. He repeats it over and over as night approaches, trying to create some sort of urgency on Day 1.

Additionally, he goes from "FF's usually scum when quiet" and beating on and voting FF to "FF's up for the lynch just because he's FF." Goes so far as to basically scream "The kid is innocent" prior to nightfall. Also changes from claiming to want a 2-man runoff to instead wanting folks to spread out the vote. Just odd, if he truly wanted the 2 man runoff when he said it.

Agreement with someone that FF is "usually scum" when quiet


More evidence for Wiz that FF is scummy.


Wiz doesn't find FF as being very "Go Town!


Wiz votes for FF after giving lots of reasons to this point.


Wiz says that it's becoming more unlikely that he'll move his vote from FF...


Another post solidifying his position on FF


Wiz accusing FF of "flat out" lying




Now here Wiz pulls of FF all because it's "too quiet." Nevermind that he said that when FF is quiet that he's "usually scum". Also accused him of flat out lying. But a quiet Saturday afternoon somehow convinced Wiz that FF wasn't scum. Odd. Do any vets really see a scum team trying to run around and save FF (if scum), especially on D1?



Something odd is that here, Wiz is up for a two person runoff for the D1 lynch...on D1?



Here Wiz votes for DD on a weak gut feeling. According to Wiz, FF's history shows that FF is quiet when scum, FF flat out lied, but he's willing to chase DD on a weak gut feel. Something's off.



Just an odd post for D1. "It's going to be a chain smoking nightfall to be sure." Why the heck is Wiz acting so stressed out for D1 nightfall? We almost never hit scum, but Wiz needs a crutch to get through it? It just seems put on to me.


Here's Wiz again saying "quiet board means happy scum."


Again.


Now he says "spread the votes." Interesting when he thought a 2 man runoff might be in order when he pulled off of FF.


Quiet board means happy scum again. Wiz knows this for a fact, evidently.


Another "spread the vote" after his initial thought that a 2 man runoff was a good idea.


Quiet board = happy scum...


Same.


Complete reversal on his earlier FF position about FF usually being scum when quiet. Now apparently FF was "just being FF." What about the quiet part, Wiz that you said usually means that he's scum?


Now justifying his DD vote and saying that Labby agrees with him. Who cares if Labby agrees with Wiz? Why even bring it up?


More D1 urgency posts... Too quiet, happy scum, etc.











After D1, I'm kinda like Wiz for a suspect.

Wow, it took me like 3 minutes to read all of this

 

[Madcrawdad]

After D1, I'm kinda liking Wiz for a suspect.

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