Mafia 95 - "Mayor's Mansion" (The Play)

[Madcrawdad]

Think about it guys, this is a numbers game.

With their nightly hit we are guaranteed to lose 1 innocent every night. Can we also afford to lynch an innocent right along side them?

We had FF and Spence tied for the lynch. They got there on their own accord because of their posting. If I was wrong, it would have not been difficult to get them back on the block. Especially considering we have the best players playing this game.

Would it make sense for me to put myself through what I did just to postpone lynching one innocent to lynch another?

If you step back and look at it objectively, that is what you are accusing me of doing.

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Yeah. I get the numbers game thing. I also get that it was D1 and you were almost yelling from the rooftops "FF and Spencer are innocent!". Your sense of urgency would make more sense in LYLO than on D1.

 

[Lady G]

Two townies and the vigilante, i knew it you scumy *******s convinced everyone FF was scum....We need to stick together to lynch some scum and find the boss.

I think FF pretty much sealed his own fate, on this one.

Yeah that was good!

For now I vote to lynch DD even though I thought jpapp lead the pile on of the ff vote something tells me he is innocent. I would like to hear more from dd and dawg personally.

What about Pap "tells you" he is innocent, I know personally Pap is someone I like to keep an eye on no matter what.

Personally, I would like to hear more from everyone. I have had it up to here with losing 3 innocents D1 due to lack of input and not seeing the warning signs that the scum are pleased with how things are going.

Sorry Wizard, I just do NOT have the time to help much right now.

As it stands right now, I am leaning Spence, Dawg, and Chill more towards innocent.

The rest of you I am not trusting at all until I can see something to change my mind.

What makes you lean them innocent?

Paul...Wizard, I'm sure you have been asked these questions already and I will see your responses when I get there, but I am posting as I read so if you can please answer for me that would be wonderful.

 

[the wizard]

You said something like "When FF is quiet, he's usually scum." That means more often than not. Yet, you let a little twinge in your gut tell you to over-ride that because it was too quiet on D1? If FF had been scum, would you seriously expect the scum team to scramble to try to save him?



So with you, Wiz and MC showing up recently, would you say that you're coordinating?

Although not infallible, I tend to trust my gut feelings. I tend to wish I had when I don't.

 

[Lady G]

Not 100% sure but I do think if Spence was being coached by scummates he wouldn't have mistakenly thought he was going to be lynched along with FF.

Or he could of easily been "acting" like he thought that. Not really a sign of anything IMO.

Not saying they are innocent but I do know the warning signs were there and those that were on did nothing to prevent what happened.

You would also know the "warning signs" to move your vote if you are mafia.

See my above post. It is true that Chill could have swung the lynch either way and the scum, if I am correct, didn't care which way it went. In which case Chill wouldn't want to be the kill vote.

He does tend to come in late to vote whether innocent or scum.

Ok, found your answer about Chill...what about the other two? I also agree with your thoughts, it isn't enough for me to sway him either way though since he can pretty much play the same innocent or evil.

 

[jpappy789]

Listen dawg voted DD maybe cause he was onto something or maybe just as a waste vote I don't really see the way he did yesterday. Of course maybe DD was undecided where to cast the vote, we also don't know what chills roll is and seems kind of weird he voted DD and was the last to vote.

Yes but she was one of the last to vote and really did so without much conviction at all. I think it would of looked a lot worse for her in my eyes if she would of cast a vote for FF. .

So now instead of DD and Dawg working together Dawg may have been on to something regarding DD? How does that play into your first theory or have you scrapped that? You still have not explained how voting for a teammate and getting them tied for the lead at all saves them.

DD tied the vote. That garners attention...she would have not been the kill vote on FF either as he was already in the lead when she placed a vote.

 

[Lady G]

FF and Spence were tied, so they where both innocent and the scum where happy or Spence was scum and the mafia did not think moving to save him was worth the risk. Right now I do think we should look elsewhere as concentrating on Spence is sort of a waste of time.

I do not see the DD thing but subtle hints are all we have to go on right now. I find Noods being the hit interesting as I think other players would have been a more likely choice.

Just curious Rich...why do you think looking at Spence would be a waste of time?

 

[Madcrawdad]

I think I understand what Wiz was getting at yesterday with it being too quiet and scum were happy, for I had that same feeling. I still felt the need to vote my best suspect so I left my vote where it was. So far Wiz appears to be working hard for the town from what I can tell. What I find interesting is the tag team against him from Mad and RB.

Labby, if you were getting strong townie vibes from Wiz, why did you lob this grenade (below) at him after nightfall? Seriously. You're not asking him for information or any clarification to help further make up your mind, you simply tossed some scum on him. Right?

If you're not seeing Wiz as anything but helpful townie at that point, why shove him out there with that?

There is a way Wiz could know for a fact that FF and Spencer were both innocent.

 

[Lady G]

I know this has been said several times but my vote was on DD because I felt she had contradicted herself in her thoughts on AAF. I was not 100% confident in my vote but for D1 I was confident enough to leave my vote there. By the time I got on before nightfall last night DD had not changed my mind about her. I also saw FF and Spence up for the lynch. IMO if FF was scum he would have moved his vote off Pir (a UD) and saved himself from the lynch. That didn't happen. I could see a slight argument for Spence but didn't think it was better than my vote on DD. The mafia seemed very comfortable with the vote being tied on FF and Spence.

I'm not so sure a scum FF would have moved

well you come in with this which has little relevance to the current game.



If spencer is looking scummiest to you then why would you vote FF.



then later even though spencer is the one you find the scummiest you "fine" with your vote on FF. If you though spencer was scum then why not vote him and save FF who is a now know innocent, who you thought was less scummy then the guy who still alive and playing and could be scum. I'll be whatching you UN but I'd like to hear your thoughts on these quotes first.

Good points Ninja

If Pir had voted I would have maintained the tie. I didn't move cause I had no stronger feel for either of the two on the block.

Ok Chill, this post is bothering me...would it of mattered to you which person Pir voted? Also if you didn't see enough to vote either...why would you vote to maintain the tie?

 

[Lady G]

I have to go for now but should be able to get back on later.

 

[spencerguy1]

It makes one wonder.



Any thoughts?

I never really thought about all of that, but since you noticed it and put it out it's makes some sense. I think that's the soundest accusation we've had in this game, considering you piled up enough evidence to make a book-lol

But I do think we need to keep looking in on this, as it makes good sense. Good find.