Mafia 95 - "Mayor's Mansion" (The Play)

[jbradt]

I have to say Wiz is making more sense to me than the rest of you right now. I find myself agreeing with his points. He has been trying as hard as anyone to find scum. I also have to agree, JB that you are smacking at him and others. I do not see you asking new questions but trying to get some one to say something that will work for you.

PS: Yes Pap, Wiz was on my list at some point, so was UN, I have not claimed to be perfect in at least ten days.

It sounds to me like you need some sleep.

 

[Lady G]

Sorry about not being here at all so far, things have been pretty crazy around here. I have been on a couple times and read a little...but haven't been able to post (Labby if you wanna check my facebook..I haven't been there either LMAO!). Anyway while I have a moment I wanted to at least get my thought out about UN's lynching. The thing is MC DID say mafia as his last words, knowing he was going to be seen as the detective obviously it was out of frustration and I am sure he most likely THOUGHT UN was mafia, MC hadn't played with UN (as far as I know) he isn't used to his (UN's) actions and I can easily see him really believing UN was mafia. It's kinda hard to fault those who voted him because of MC's words, since he WAS the detective, at the same time we ALL know how UN plays, and the way he was acting was typical UN.

AAF- is new to the game, and I can see him going with the vote..this in no way means I can't see him as mafia...just THIS vote I can't hold against him.

Ninja-He knows exactly how UN plays, the fact he came on kinda defending FF was pretty unusual for him, most the time he starts out with some sort of FF is evil post and is arguing with him. He hasn't been on as much (yes, I'm sure school plays a big part of that) but IMO he isn't playing his normal game.

Bally-She is one I am on the fence with, she has had problems throughout the game which has caused her to not be on much I can understand that, and last night IF that was really the only time she was able to get on and with what was going on (with UN's posting) I can see her throwing a vote on him to save herself from a UD. The thing is, JB's comment earlier about this game overwhelming her and she is most likely innocent, then him coming on after nightfall and saying he thinks she is most likely scum, THAT sticks in my head and makes me wonder more then anything.

Zaffy- Really I haven't seen much to lean him one way or the other, except for this vote. Yes, the dying detective called UN mafia, and had it been any other player then UN and the way it happened I could of seen everyone jumping on him...BUT again, it was UN and Zaff knows exactly how UN plays.

Rich- Now Rich is tricky, he really hasn't done much to call attention to himself (he never does). As I said, yes I can see someone thinking "the detective called him mafia" but I have a feeling Rich used it as a easy way to vote a innocent.

Doll- It's no secret I think she is evil, and I believe as with Rich it was a easy way to vote a innocent.

 

[the wizard]

So you are concerned with me pushing on her or LG. I've actually been having a tough time getting people to look at DD. Which is why I've moved on for now.

You voted for DD on D1 did you not? or was that just D1 distancing because of the landslide voting going on?

Yes Dawg, I voted DD D1. I stated my reasons when I did so. I also noted the rush on DD after MC got lynched and stated my concerns over it. From what I recall, unless a game is winding down where everyone knows who is who a mad rush on one player after a night fall when not even 1 scum has been found yet is not a good thing. I am doing my best to stay out of the mob mentality and find scum.

To answer your second question, I have never used distancing in any game I have been scum in. If I had maybe I would have fooled Kashta a time or two instead of being figured out by her every time.

 

[rich311k]

Sorry about not being here at all so far, things have been pretty crazy around here. I have been on a couple times and read a little...but haven't been able to post (Labby if you wanna check my facebook..I haven't been there either LMAO!). Anyway while I have a moment I wanted to at least get my thought out about UN's lynching. The thing is MC DID say mafia as his last words, knowing he was going to be seen as the detective obviously it was out of frustration and I am sure he most likely THOUGHT UN was mafia, MC hadn't played with UN (as far as I know) he isn't used to his (UN's) actions and I can easily see him really believing UN was mafia. It's kinda hard to fault those who voted him because of MC's words, since he WAS the detective, at the same time we ALL know how UN plays, and the way he was acting was typical UN.

AAF- is new to the game, and I can see him going with the vote..this in no way means I can't see him as mafia...just THIS vote I can't hold against him.

Ninja-He knows exactly how UN plays, the fact he came on kinda defending FF was pretty unusual for him, most the time he starts out with some sort of FF is evil post and is arguing with him. He hasn't been on as much (yes, I'm sure school plays a big part of that) but IMO he isn't playing his normal game.

Bally-She is one I am on the fence with, she has had problems throughout the game which has caused her to not be on much I can understand that, and last night IF that was really the only time she was able to get on and with what was going on (with UN's posting) I can see her throwing a vote on him to save herself from a UD. The thing is, JB's comment earlier about this game overwhelming her and she is most likely innocent, then him coming on after nightfall and saying he thinks she is most likely scum, THAT sticks in my head and makes me wonder more then anything.

Zaffy- Really I haven't seen much to lean him one way or the other, except for this vote. Yes, the dying detective called UN mafia, and had it been any other player then UN and the way it happened I could of seen everyone jumping on him...BUT again, it was UN and Zaff knows exactly how UN plays.

Rich- Now Rich is tricky, he really hasn't done much to call attention to himself (he never does). As I said, yes I can see someone thinking "the detective called him mafia" but I have a feeling Rich used it as a easy way to vote a innocent.

Doll- It's no secret I think she is evil, and I believe as with Rich it was a easy way to vote a innocent.

Just curious Doll and I hid our votes, but Zaffy did not? Does he have some clearance I do not know of?

 

[the wizard]

And only scum can have agendas? If I like you for scum, your darned right I'm going to keep you out there for all to see.

I'm pushing to have you lynched and that's your sole reason for claiming suspicion of me....Yeah, that's OMGUS.

On this I have to call BS. Yes after D1 you did your best to have me bbq'd. You were the first to vote me on D2. It was a very close race between the three of us and I even admitted I was there as a result of my own posting.

Now, D3 comes and where was your vote? I remember you voted LG. Mad if you were truly pro town and thought that my antics on D1 had uncovered scum to you, you would have led the charge on voting me D3. The way I see it, you kept bringing me up to keep my name out there and no one else voted me so you moved on to someone else for your vote.

If I am right about this I would then have to lean G as innocent.

 

[dirtydawg10]

Yes Dawg, I voted DD D1. I stated my reasons when I did so. I also noted the rush on DD after MC got lynched and stated my concerns over it. From what I recall, unless a game is winding down where everyone knows who is who a mad rush on one player after a night fall when not even 1 scum has been found yet is not a good thing. I am doing my best to stay out of the mob mentality and find scum.

To answer your second question, I have never used distancing in any game I have been scum in. If I had maybe I would have fooled Kashta a time or two instead of being figured out by her every time.

I'm glad you mentioned that Wiz. Yes you did state your reasons on D1 so I decided to go back and look.

From when I was on at lunch to now, all I can say is wow.

Can we lynch three for D1?

Here you are ready to lynch who exactly?

DD could you explain your reasoning for the part in bold? You were of the same opinon so I just thought that comment seemed odd.

Here's my question for DD.

I would be interested in your reply as well. It does seem to be contradictory.

Then you jump in on my question and nudge DD a bit.

Looking back I see no other place than to eliminate FF.

His wishy-washy scheduling, his lame excuse for suspecting AAF and then voting Pir.

I vote to lynch FF

If something else comes up between now and tomorrow I will change but short of Labby admitting her scumminess (she already admitted not knowing Tommy Tutone, and her obvious disbelief in Star Trek) I doubt it.

But you still want to lynch FF.

DD...I understand that he posted about banter being excessive. My question is why you think he is scum because of it when you did the same thing? Just doesn't seem like sound logic to me. For now I vote to lynch DD.

Your logic just doesn't seem right to me. I will be around before night but I will be gone most of the day up till then. I should have time to catch up and revise my vote if need be before night.

Wiz, you mentioned you would like to see what DD had to say about the same question I had. Were you satisfied with her reasoning and that's why you never commented on it?


Thanks for clarifying

Then here I question DD again and ask you why you didn't comment on her reply. If you were so interested in DD's reply to my question why did you drop the subject until I questioned you on it?

No, to be honest, I actually missed that she had basically contradicted herself until you brought it up. We have a lot of players this game, and there are a lot of posts to keep straight on who said what, and when they said it.

It is, however, the weekend and I can take some time now to go back through and look closer at everyone instead of reading and responding on the fly.

You reply you didn't see it till I brought it up and that you would look closer. Still no comment about DD's answer though.

Ludicrous? Maybe, what I see is that you wanted to move the game along and stop the banter. AAF complained about all the banter. You then jumped him for it. That to me is contradictory.

Whether it was after the issue was dropped or not, is not the point. Often in forum based games people respond to something that was posted pages ago due to when they logged in and read it.

I have done it as have many others. I know you have seen it before. Regardless, it still reads as opportunistic and contradictory. Wouldn't you agree?

Here you do question her saying basically what I had said previously. But you are still voting FF.

I need to rethink this day and look past FF.

As I stated, it is too quiet for us to be on target here. I can see the case against Spencer for his refusing to admit his error when the facts were shown to him about the pm and when the game started.

I also am not completely satisfied with DD's answer to Dawg's question on calling out AAF over the banter issue. Her response to me about not seeing it as opportunistic or contradictory seems kind of convenient for her IMO.

For now, I retract my vote to lynch FF.

It may return there but something just doesn't look right.

Then you need to rethink and throw a comment about my questioning of DD and how you don't care for the response.

I was thinking a run off between the two would give us a better chance of hitting scum but, you have a very valid point here.

I wish Labby would post one of her theories so I would have a reason to vote her.

:lipssealedsmilie:

Here you agree with JB that he might be right about FF and Spence both being innocent.

I too have an issue with voting DD at this time, but from what I can see, she is my best suspect. It is not however a strong case. It is more of a gut feel.

You have an issue voting for DD but she is your best suspect?!?

I did notice it. I am currently fishing. I am looking for anything that makes me feel comfortable about where to vote.

Still not comfortable

I do not like this one little bit. Less than 3 hours to go. I really believe we are playing into the scums hands tonight.

My case is weak. I have stated that before. I also have this gnawing in my gut and at the back of my mind. The best I can come up with at this time is.......

I vote to lynch DD

For suspicion stated earlier. I really do believe she is trying to subtly put innocents out there for suspicion.

When questioned the other night, she disappeared. The first thought that came to mind was that her absence was just long enough to collaborate in the scum den to come up with a response.

I hope we get this right tonight.

Your case is weak but still feel the need to vote her (DD)

I say spread the votes out. Don't give the scum a place to hide. Make them scramble to save their own. Someone will get lynched tonight that is a gaurantee. Read the rules Noods. There is no tie=no lynch rule.

Spread the votes out...interesting that RB said the same thing last night too.

Trust me JB, I would love to see FF gone for the way he posted. I would rather feel comfortable thinking we have scum up for the lynch. My gut tells me that isn't the case tonight.

You still would love to see FF gone but your gut tells you not to vote there. If you were so sure about FF and Spence why would you love to see FF gone?

Tell you what JB. If we get scum from one of the two up for lynching tonight, I offer myself as tomorrow's lynch. Let's make it interesting and have a runoff between me and DD as she is the only suspect I have at the moment.

Then you are so sure FF and Spence are innocent you offer yourself up against your best suspect DD...who you are not comfortable voting on and you have a weak case on.

If we get scum tonight (remember it is between spence and FF) I will not argue being up for the lynch and will vote DD immediately after.

You are willing to vote DD right after nightfall as well. So much for not being comfortable.

I stated it was weak but was going with a gut feel she replied to Dawg that even though she too tried to get the banter shut down, she suspected Spence? I think it was when he said there was too much banter. I called her for Contradicting herself.

Also a couple of early posts she made were reminiscent of when she is scum and trying to subtly get the focus on an innocent.

Again weak and gut feel...but you just said you will vote her after nightfall.

Thanks for having me go back. I don't think I can vote anywhere else after reviewing that. I retract my vote for Bally and Vote to lynch Wiz

 

[Lady G]

This comment isn't directed at me, but I think it very easily could be.

Frankly, I thought that this was more proof in support of MC's mafia post. The fact that he didn't really go after UN until near nightfall suggested to me that MC was trying to make it clear who he had investigated.

In hindsight, that's clear now. I didn't consider it a real possibility until kash announced UN's role. I thought that people who were suggesting other wise were blowing smoke.

I need to rethink everything up to this point.

I have a hard time believing you really think MC would of waited until right before night to go after UN if he had found him scum. UN had plenty of post MC could of used to build a case on him, he had plenty of ppl talking about him, he would not of been a hard person to go after IMO.

watch out mad will get you for all of those periods.

LMAO!

Hasn't Bally pulled a drive by every night so far?

Yeah. That must be it. Do you dot your "i"s with little hearts, too?Dude, it's a scumtell called "gloating". When people pop onto the thread after nightfall, falling all over themselves with grief, and making sure that everyone else can see how upset they are, it makes one wonder why they're so worried about showing their enourmous amount of grief so publicly. Are appearances that important to you for some reason?

Sorry, but I have plenty of times as innocent added lots of !!! after my thought, when your thrown off it happens sometimes, can't see that as a scum tell myself.

His post where nonsensical, he was throwing guilt at everyone. He switched votes way to many times and the panicking at the end just cemented it for me.

Have you ever seen UN not do that?

I am very suspicious of Zaffy hiding behind the idea that MC gave us cold hard evidence that UN was scum. Zaffy tends to have an open mind about things, it's very unlike him to become so narrow-minded.

I have to agree with you on this one Labby.

Just curious Doll and I hid our votes, but Zaffy did not? Does he have some clearance I do not know of?

Nope, as I said I hadn't seen much against him EXCEPT that vote.

 

[Lady G]

I thought I pulled the post but apparently not...Wizard, you said the "push" for Doll after MC's lynch made you re think her as scum (something like that), there really wasn't a "push" for her. Se had 2 votes and I was almost lynched for going after her, I was wondering where you seen this push for her?

 

[Madcrawdad]

On this I have to call BS. Yes after D1 you did your best to have me bbq'd. You were the first to vote me on D2. It was a very close race between the three of us and I even admitted I was there as a result of my own posting.

Now, D3 comes and where was your vote? I remember you voted LG. Mad if you were truly pro town and thought that my antics on D1 had uncovered scum to you, you would have led the charge on voting me D3. The way I see it, you kept bringing me up to keep my name out there and no one else voted me so you moved on to someone else for your vote.

If I am right about this I would then have to lean G as innocent.

On D3 Pappy found the discrepancy between LG claiming that she thought MC was detective, but then called him scum afterward. That's a big disconnect.

I don't claim to be positive that you're scum. If somebody else steps in it big time, I'm willing to go there first.

 

[the wizard]

I'm glad you mentioned that Wiz. Yes you did state your reasons on D1 so I decided to go back and look.


Here you are ready to lynch who exactly?


Here's my question for DD.


Then you jump in on my question and nudge DD a bit.


But you still want to lynch FF.


Then here I question DD again and ask you why you didn't comment on her reply. If you were so interested in DD's reply to my question why did you drop the subject until I questioned you on it?


You reply you didn't see it till I brought it up and that you would look closer. Still no comment about DD's answer though.


Here you do question her saying basically what I had said previously. But you are still voting FF.


Then you need to rethink and throw a comment about my questioning of DD and how you don't care for the response.


Here you agree with JB that he might be right about FF and Spence both being innocent.


You have an issue voting for DD but she is your best suspect?!?


Still not comfortable


Your case is weak but still feel the need to vote her (DD)


Spread the votes out...interesting that RB said the same thing last night too.


You still would love to see FF gone but your gut tells you not to vote there. If you were so sure about FF and Spence why would you love to see FF gone?


Then you are so sure FF and Spence are innocent you offer yourself up against your best suspect DD...who you are not comfortable voting on and you have a weak case on.


You are willing to vote DD right after nightfall as well. So much for not being comfortable.


Again weak and gut feel...but you just said you will vote her after nightfall.

Thanks for having me go back. I don't think I can vote anywhere else after reviewing that. I retract my vote for Bally and Vote to lynch Wiz

Very nice Dawg, you spent a lot of time pulling my posts from D1. As I and everyone else knows, I almost got lynched D2 because of my posting D1. We are however in the middle of D4. Do you have anything else?