Mafia 96 Who Are You? Game Thread

[jpappy789]

wasn't really the thought process. more akin to putting rational thought before rolling the dice in a craps game. thank g'ness i did, too.

you're becoming suspect asking that question. or did you truly not remember how the day ended?

Dun, the innocents who died were UDs because they didn't. They don't have anyone to blame but themselves. The only person innocents could have killed was FF, who was scum.

not hiding it. how would it be hidding anything when i switched at the last minute? that would draw alot of attention.

at first FF was random too until i went back and read, then i thought the comment sounded scummy, but then i thought almost every game hes in he sounds scummy at the beginning nno matter what his role. i switched bc i didnt feel comfortable voting off someone i was un sure about so i voted on someone that had no votes.

So first your vote was random, then you found a reason...and you switched because you didn't feel comfortable about that reason and instead decided to place a meaningless vote? It's D1, no one feels comfortable about their vote. Half the town was random crap votes anyways.

Why spencer out of everyone else that didn't have a vote?

 

[Kashta]

Took me longer to get back than I expected and I still have other stuff I need to do (other than mafia) before I can go to bed. Be that as it may, I still need to review the last 6 pages (at 40 posts per) one more time to keep up with this. I'll do the best I can to consolidate my posting.... which you all know isn't something I'm real good at. (Some of this may up getting quoted out or chronical order.)

Lab Rat, I don't get your OMGUS reference in response to my vote. I voted you but you didn't even indicate you might vote me. You weren't poking at me or anything before posting this. Please explain what you meant by OMGUS here?

OMGUS Kash!

Has Ice said his favorite color? I dont remember him sharing that information.

 

[Kashta]

I think FF got himself turned around somehow. Just want to make sure Labby doesn't misunderstand my meaning.

Again, you are skimming. She was commenting on your lack of posting, not your lack of a vote.

Actually, no. That wasn't about FF not posting or FF not voting. It was what he said in response to Chill's comment about posting in general that I thought was off.

I agreed with Chill's original comment and thought FF's remark was odd because it differed from Chill's hope/expectation that we (all of us, not just FF) would have posted more by that point....... so the town would have more to go on. It seemed odd that FF would disagree or want to discourage posting in general. Seemed out of character for him (FF especially), or out of character for an innocent to say something like that.

Typically, an innocent would encourage more posting for the benefit of the town before it comes time to start voting; not think less posting was okay since we didn't have to vote yet. There are exceptions, of course, but it's usually scum who fare better than the town does when a thread gets quiet or when a new game either starts out really slow or remains overly fluffy for too long.

Re-reading FF's posts, I guess he either misunderstood what I meant (about posting vs. a comment about voting) because I also had to vote early. But my comment wasn't about votes at all or any lack of votes.

Just wanted to address that. FF either misinterpreted me or wanted to put a spin on it (don't ask me why <shrug>)... but I didn't want his take on that to confuse anyone else.

Anyway, it turned out FF was scum so I'm glad we killed him.

 

[Kashta]

You can be the idiot of the town.... I don't want the job anymore, to much bad rep.



I did not, I was not saying an early vote is bad, I was saying that I prefer to wait until there is a good choice for a vote. On day one, that comes down to "who annoys me the most" unless something evil or scummy comes up. Which reminds me: I vote to lynch Lab_Rat for twisting words and skimming posts while saying others are skimming. Best I've got besides Rich not liking fish and LBR eating to much food. Mind you, my vote can always change if something else comes up.

Odd that you mention the exact people who were voted before you placed yours on Lab with the exact same reasons...



Keep in mind that killing the Don is an automatic win for the town. Although I might have to join you with that vote if it gets rid of me having to see that avatar...I'll take my chances.

Agree with Pappy. Perhaps FF was trying real hard to blend in (acting townie) to not become the center of attention this time. Good thing that strategy didn't keep him alive. lol.

 

[Kashta]

Anyone can answer. This isn't actually directed to UN.

I usually don't like throwing random votes out and encouraging others to do so, but I can see your point here and think that it could be a good idea for night 1. By night 2 we should know enough from voting/posting to start getting an idea of who's scummy or not.



I thought that roles were randomly assigned? I'll take my chances with voting who looks scummy instead of instantly going after the weakest link. Not to say that I won't vote LBF, I just won't do it because he's unlikely to get a role.

I'm not sure so I have to ask this:

Did Wizard tell us the roles would be random? (I've been away from the site a lot, so I didn't actually read all of the sign up thread.... he may have said so there.) I don't see anything in the game startup posts where Wizard told us it's random.

 

[Kashta]

I find your wording interesting Chill. You mention hitting a player from the opposite team. While this statement is true enough, I would think if you were a townie you would have said that any random vote has a slightly better chance of hitting scum (instead of saying slightly better chance of hitting a player from the opposite team) since your perspective would be that of a townie.

My word choice was careful Lab. I'm not sure the traditional townie scum designations apply when half the town is scum. I think we have inncoent townies and scummy townies. I'm also not sure how far Wiz's prohibiton on role calling goes. Can a non-pr player admit their team?

A couple of posts have caught my eye because of wording.




Not so sure why she'd even say this unless she was scum.





Lab is right. For now I can take the explanation as truth,but it does put more of a watching eye on you Chill.

I'm almost willing to vote LBF just because its a 50/50 chance at scum just to get that avatar off my screen and because I already have to decipher FF talk.

Due to the seriousness of the tone of the post

I vote to lynch DD

It gives me an uneasy feeling that I agree with Ice and Lab Rat.... both. Ice and I usually suspect each other even when we're on the same side.... and Lab Rat spoke up to FF (sort of on my behalf) while I was at work and couldn't be here.

 

[Kashta]

I can understand not really having a good method for voting on day one due to usually worthless banter (which this game has had plenty). However you say your criteria for day one vote is "who annoys you the most" then you go on to say that lab rat has your vote because because she was skimming and then saying others are skimming.

Why don't you post some proof (or what you interpreted as skimming) of lab rat skimming along with your vote since you are not going off your usual day one criteria?





How did you go from posting nonsense is distracting to the town and scummy; to nonsense about soup night and what constitutes a veggie? However I do agree about bad behavior, with some people even a simple "secret" like their role causes them to do and let slip stupid comments which shed light on their guilty conscience about the secret.



This post really bothered me. From prior game experience Kashta was always the most meticulous when it came to laying out a strategy in posting. Perhaps strategy isn't the best word, but Kashta rarely posted something or pulled comments that had little bearing on anything without a comment or reason behind it. It seemed to me that this post was way out of character for her. She pulls posts from nearly every player and then says what amounts to a one line quip about each post.

I got the impression that this was a post to make it look as though she was examining each player and beating the bushes while in fact she was just trying to stay out of the spot light day one to see if an innocent gets lynched who she can fire at. Maybe I just have too many expectations for Kashta's input and analysis to have a reason behind it.



I would think that both LBF's postings and your postings would be slips if it weren't the fact that no one should be communicating outside of the thread at this point. I did find it odd however that you distanced yourself and then related to LBF with the second part of the post. Could it be that "trying to bring an innocent down with you" is actually accidentally drag an extra scum along?



You never want to keep to your own little world if you're innocent. The point of this game is to comment and question then use that information to determine who is scum. If you're keeping to your own little world it certainly doesn't help the town figure out anything. The only reason to keep to your own little world is if you're nervous you're going to let something slip and if that is the case you're scum.

I vote to lynch Kashta

Her post seems to me to be too much of a I'm here don't pay attention to me posting instead of the meticulous analysis I am used to from her.

It's been ages since you and I have played, Dag. So I understand why you might wonder... and even vote me. My game isn't what it used to be. I doubt I'll get a chance anymore to play the way I used to.

I pulled those posts to comment on because I was skipping over all the food-related stuff, which wouldn't lead us anywhere. More just folks biding their time in the thread. Honestly, there wasn't anything to analyze yet.... IMO. At least not that I could find.

Also think it was too soon at that point to do any serious bush kicking, considering no one in the game knew anyone else's alignment. Had I tried to force that kind of play prematurely, it's way too easy to read something into this that isn't actually there.

Still, I'll be happy to share my Kashta-like input and analysis once I actually have some. lol.

 

[Kashta]

The things I'm finding interesting are the late-comers and the votes on LBF. It looks at this point like he will UD.

Oh, I can understand voting him. Since the roles are random there is a good chance he's evil. Wiz said he randomly assigned roles.

I can understand the original reasoning for voting him but I agree leaving votes there is strange.

MC, was your vote actually random or did you happen to see a vote for Dag only three posts above yours?



Any particular reason you just tied it up?

Close jpapp, close...It was random because When I posted they had been the last ones to post something so it was the last username I seen! You were close though buddy....keep your eyes open!

i retract my vote and vote to lynch spencer not much to go on as far as ive read so.....

My head hurts and its only day 1, why would you move to spencer who looks like a UD?

Well I'm glad FF was scum but that sucks that the innocents are down 2 to freaking UDs.



umm you pop in for 10sec to vote the last person to post before you look here.... saying nothing that could contribute or incriminate, that is just standing in the crowd, aka flying under the radar.

Glad the 50/50 on FF turned out to be in our favor.

Dun,what do you mean innocents killing innocent townies? Only innocents killed were by their own hands by not voting.

Personally I wouldn't have let Spencer or LBF play.Spencer has UDed in every game I think and LBF I never thought would grasp the game.

There is a strategy to use now but I don't know how to tell it without ruining it, you're all smart I think you can figure it out.



AAF so why did you switch off FF to Spencer? A player was about to UD?

I was kind of hoping LBF and FF would be on the same team, that way I'd know what Kash was. Wiz wouldn't be dumb enough to put them both on her team lol.

I understand there isn't much to go on but you voted for someone who was going to die with or without your vote. In a normal setup you'd be looked at as scum for that move.

Here's what I'm seeing for AAF:
He jumps in and votes for FF, to make the count as follows. I forgot to tag that post, but it's there. He might not remember doing it, but...


Then Rich puts FF in the lead for the lynch.

Dun seals the deal on FF.

Posted at the same time as Dun's post, AAF switches his vote.

And the final vote count.


It seems to me that AAF just wanted to get off of FF when he saw that FF was more likely to get lynched. He tied it up between LBF and FF, then leapt off FF right at the end when it was pretty clear FF would get the lynch. It almost seems like he didn't want to get looked at if FF ended up townie. That would explain why the inexplicable vote change right at the end.

The way I read that it seems like you're admitting to trying to hide your vote.

not hiding it. how would it be hidding anything when i switched at the last minute? that would draw alot of attention.

at first FF was random too until i went back and read, then i thought the comment sounded scummy, but then i thought almost every game hes in he sounds scummy at the beginning nno matter what his role. i switched bc i didnt feel comfortable voting off someone i was un sure about so i voted on someone that had no votes.

Whether or not it drew attention isn't the point. The point is that you moved your vote at the very time that that candidate (FF) was becoming the solid choice for the lynch. And you moved it to a person who hadn't really been mentioned and hadn't been voted for.

It seems to me that you felt some pressure to move your vote, and I'm trying to figure out where that pressure would have come from.

i dont think i can explain it any further. vote for me if you want. not much i can do about it.

Plus he moved it to someone almost certain to UD at that point.

Too sleepy to sort out all the other quotes I pulled. Let me sum up my comments here.... there are corresponding quotes above that go with them.

1. About AAF voting a UD.... (most of the quotes relate to this one.)

From what I see, AAF may have made himself the next most likely lynch for pulling that indefensible vote switch from FF to Spence. I can't figure out why he wanted to or felt he needed to switch at all. FF wasn't obvious scum or innocent at this stage and no one questioned AAF's vote where it was had he merely left it alone. As for Spence's imminent UD, it wouldn't surprise me if AAF wasn't paying attention to the standings enough to actually realize Spence had not voted and, thus, was going to die anyway. Unfortunately, that makes me wonder why AAF is playing more than it does which side he's on.

2. Mostlycichlids... while I must admit I like your style, always have. Would you mind giving us a real answer to Pappy's question? (Third quote from the top.)

3. Dagamoth... in the quote I pulled from you where you say "it sucks the innocents are down....," wouldn't it have been more natural for you to say "it sucks that WE are down...." if you were an innocent yourself?

4. Ice... you are so right about that idea if Wizard had put FF and LBF together on the same team with me. lmao!!! Would not have been a smart move... if he wanted to sleep without keeping one eye open all night.

 

[Kashta]

Just one more before going to bed. Also have an appointment after work tomorrow so it'll be real late again before I get back on.

lmao!! Jpap's title, "I'm the Doctor."

^^ I guess it's not a role claim if the role's not in this game. Too funny, Papp!!!

With that in mind, pencil me in as the journalist then..... or rather, journalist-turned-demon. That was one I really enjoyed.

 

[Fishfriend1]

well this sucks. Good luck goonies....