Mafia #98: The Grinch Returns -- The Play

I think it's clear where evil falls on AAF's list between Rich or Bally. My vote will most surely go on Bally - so this clears any question there may be about Rich. For scum, I'm thinking Bally and Lady G. Bally got herself into trouble and that's when Lady G stepped in trying to run interference for her.

2 Bally
3 Lady G
5 Dawg
5 FF
5 Pappy
5 UN
8 Wizard
8 Rich
9 AAF

Trying to figure in Jack's nip makes the middle part more difficult IMO so those are listed alphabetically.
 
I do agree with Pap the either Bally or Kash are scum. I will most likely vote one of them. I am leaning towards Kash.

What makes you lean Kashta more scummy than Bally? I can never read Kashta when she is scum. You did vote Bally last night.

The reason I ask is you, Bally, and Kashta are on AAF's naughty or nice list. If it can only have one scum (still waiting for AAF to clarify the wording in response to JP) then it definitely gives us two confirmed innocents if we get scum tonight.

If you are innocent, then what changes your mind on Bally?

If you are the scum on the list, I can see you trying to lynch Kashta first as when she has time to play these games she can cause a lot of discomfort for the scum team.
 
Because I'm bored and there's hardly any discussion going on...

AAF- has been very quiet and has yet to actually poke or prod anyone beyond a quick question and answer session but apparently RCed as an innocent
Rich- never been able to read Rich, nothing's stuck out to me
LG- seems more innocent than not
UN- hasn't said enough to get a good read on him
Dawg- maybe I just don't understand his point but the fixation on Wiz seems weird
Wiz- leaning more innocent, but not sure about the push for LG. Seems more like an argument between innocents.
Kash- I know she has tried to explain it but I just can't shake how she made the decision to vote UN. Maybe I'm just paranoid.
Bally- most scummy IMO, pretty sure I've covered why I think so
FF- just jumped on my list, at the risk of being OMUSy the reason for suspecting me was total bunk and I really question the motives behind the other "thoughts" on that list

2- Bally
3- FF

4- Kash
5- Dawg
5- UN
5- Rich
6- Wiz
6- LG

8- AAF
What do you think about Kash's D2 vote?

My fixation on Wiz was kicking bushes to see what was there. After seeing Wiz's more recent posts he has dropped down a notch on my list...but he's definitely not off my list.

I have to say I am a bit more interested in AAF's list. If I had to rank the 3 people left I would say Bally, Kash then Rich with Bally seeming the scummiest at this point. I can't really see a reason to doubt AAF's list although I wish he didn't come out with it. Although he may have helped us he also has helped the scum as others have pointed out. I think now that it's out there we need to use it to our advantage.
 
I think it's clear where evil falls on AAF's list between Rich or Bally. My vote will most surely go on Bally - so this clears any question there may be about Rich. For scum, I'm thinking Bally and Lady G. Bally got herself into trouble and that's when Lady G stepped in trying to run interference for her.

2 Bally
3 Lady G
5 Dawg
5 FF
5 Pappy
5 UN
8 Wizard
8 Rich
9 AAF

Trying to figure in Jack's nip makes the middle part more difficult IMO so those are listed alphabetically.

When I was pulling LG's posts last night I did see where she posted about Bally. It was slipped in to one of her post and struck me as a way she could try to defend Bally without appearing to do so. (assuming LG is scum that is).

I would ask the town their thoughts on the naughty or nice list.
 
I am running late so this is rushed.

I need to vote now to insure I don't UD.

I have already stated why with yesterday. I think this night fall is crucial for us to lynch scum.

I repeat my vote to lynch Bally.

I hope AAF can clarify the wording JP asked him about before night fall to help us get this right. I will try to get back before night is called in case something shows reason to change my vote.
 
What makes you lean Kashta more scummy than Bally? I can never read Kashta when she is scum. You did vote Bally last night.

The reason I ask is you, Bally, and Kashta are on AAF's naughty or nice list. If it can only have one scum (still waiting for AAF to clarify the wording in response to JP) then it definitely gives us two confirmed innocents if we get scum tonight.

If you are innocent, then what changes your mind on Bally?

If you are the scum on the list, I can see you trying to lynch Kashta first as when she has time to play these games she can cause a lot of discomfort for the scum team.

She is giving me a very bad feeling. She has made her usual precise posts but they have a wrong feel and have not said very much. I will vote Bally if she is way out in the lead later today. I would be quite comfortable voting either of them.
 
I'm not sure how much credence we should put into AAF's list. First off, we don't even know if it's a true RC. Then, of the people there, we already have ideas for who's evil/innocent, and if we just go via elimination, well... we would lose before we got lucky. Personally I think we should continue the game using our own heads more then any naughty/nice list.
so to help everybody out, and bc im really not going to be able to figure out which of these are scum here is my naughty/ nice list.
ice
rich
kashta
bally
ice turned out to be rudolf so either kash, rich, or bally is definently scum. telling yall this will probably get me hit, but yall townies can do more with it than i can.
i really hope this helps.

Assuming his RC is true, Kashta, Bally, or Rich is definitely evil. The biggest issue is that they are all good players. Bally screwed up a bit, with the nightfall incident and her confusion there. Personally I don't think that is enough to be evil. Kashta overdefended her votes. Rich hasn't done anything scummy yet (IMO). So, who do we want to say is evil? I think Kashta, of these people, is the best choice. I've never been able to read her, period, similar to Rich. So, well, she's the one, of this list, who is the most scummy. But I'm not yet sure I believe AAF's RC.
 
I haven't tried to make something out of nothing as you imply. I made observations and I should why.

It would appear that you were on a mission to railroad Dun. I just don't know where to vote yet.

I don't feel that Bally has done herself any favors. I don't buy her explanations. You said that you see Bally as playing like Bally. As it stands right now my vote will probably fall on one of you two.
I do believe you think you see something Wizard, I do not doubt that at all. As I said earlier (I think to AFF) you have often thought you saw something in my posts and went at it just like you have...but you have (more times then not) been wrong.

All I can tell you about my "railroad" attack toward Dun, I thought he was evil 100% pure evil, his posts did nothing to make me feel better about him...obviously I was wrong and I wish with all my heart I could take it all back, but I can't. I've looked back through our posts SEVERAL times, and I really still can not see where he posted anything that made it look like I was wrong. Obviously I was not the only person who felt this way or he would not of been lynched.

As for Bally, no I don't see where she has done herself any favors either, my point is only that I've seen this happen to her many times when she was innocent. I'm not saying no one should think she is scum, or that I 100% think she is innocent..I just do not know if that points her toward evil, because of it. Have you never seen her post something off, then when questioned get all flustered and start rewording things in the end being lynched and innocent (on several occasions)? Now, that does not in any way mean she can't be or isn't evil. I just prefer to see a bit more from her before making that decision. In this set up it only take one wrong lynch, and it's game over for us with a evil win.

keep in mind, bally and kashta cant both be scum, only one can.
Why is that? Is there not still the Grinch and his/her evil elf...plus add to that we don't know what those cookies did, or who Jack Frost nipped if it was a innocent, that person is now evil so from the way I understand things we have at least 2 evil, with the possibility of 1-2 more depending on the cookies and nip. I am willing to say the cookies were more likely a piece of info...but we do not know.

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I don't have a gut feel that UN is playing a good game (good as in well played, as in, a vet game more then newb game). That seems apparent from his posting right now. Which means he could be being coached or just playing well. Guess which one I'm worried about.

The gut feel was between 2H, UN, and Dun. That was were I was interested. Any three would have been places to set a vote day 1, but he picked 2H. Without any reason except that it was a gut feel that 2H was scummier then the others.


I never said gut feeling, don't twist my words. You appear to be playing townie just enough to remain hidden. It's something to watch when a vet plays like that, which is all I said. Not yet a reason to place a vote, or even end up on my list.

Because I stopped my reread when I reached my post yesterday morning. It was, checking back, post 434. I think I made myself pretty clear on my thoughts after that point, no need to re-state it that soon.
As far as UN, I agree he has been playing much different this game and if he is innocent, I hope to see more of this play style. I will agree also that it does make me nervous.

FF it has been shown that Pap in fact said he voted 2H because he said Rich was unlynchable...the post was pulled and shown to you...where do you get this "gut feeling"

In your list..no you did not say "gut feeling", in your response to Pap however you said it was a "gut feeling", I twisted nothing.
LG, may I ask, are you defending pappy?
Not defending Pap no, you posted he voted 2H on a gut feeling, when he said in his post that it was because of him stating Rich was unlynchable, so yes I commented on it
 
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