Mafia #98: The Grinch Returns -- The Play

[Lady G]

I think it's clear where evil falls on AAF's list between Rich or Bally. My vote will most surely go on Bally - so this clears any question there may be about Rich. For scum, I'm thinking Bally and Lady G. Bally got herself into trouble and that's when Lady G stepped in trying to run interference for her.

2 Bally
3 Lady G
5 Dawg
5 FF
5 Pappy
5 UN
8 Wizard
8 Rich
9 AAF

Trying to figure in Jack's nip makes the middle part more difficult IMO so those are listed alphabetically.

I also think it is clear where Evil is...I vote to lynch Kash

After last nightfall, I hope I am right because we really can not afford to be wrong but of the names in that list Kash is the one that stands out, as I said yep, she made well thought out posts about her votes, but she is lacking the normal Kash post of her thoughts on other players. Yes, she has said some about others...but she took so much time being sure to cover all angels of her vote(s), it was way more like she was more worried about being questioned then looking for scum (which is very "un" innocent Kash)

 

[Lady G]

AAF, never mind my question....I see what you are saying now

 

[dirtydawg10]

I'm not sure how much credence we should put into AAF's list. First off, we don't even know if it's a true RC. Then, of the people there, we already have ideas for who's evil/innocent, and if we just go via elimination, well... we would lose before we got lucky. Personally I think we should continue the game using our own heads more then any naughty/nice list.


Assuming his RC is true, Kashta, Bally, or Rich is definitely evil. The biggest issue is that they are all good players. Bally screwed up a bit, with the nightfall incident and her confusion there. Personally I don't think that is enough to be evil. Kashta overdefended her votes. Rich hasn't done anything scummy yet (IMO). So, who do we want to say is evil? I think Kashta, of these people, is the best choice. I've never been able to read her, period, similar to Rich. So, well, she's the one, of this list, who is the most scummy. But I'm not yet sure I believe AAF's RC.

I began to think that as well FF. I'm not sure someone who didn't have the role could come up with this role unless LR gave it to them. I don't think these roles were made public anywhere unless I missed it in the sign up thread.

 

[Fishfriend1]

I do believe you think you see something Wizard, I do not doubt that at all. As I said earlier (I think to AFF) you have often thought you saw something in my posts and went at it just like you have...but you have (more times then not) been wrong.

All I can tell you about my "railroad" attack toward Dun, I thought he was evil 100% pure evil, his posts did nothing to make me feel better about him...obviously I was wrong and I wish with all my heart I could take it all back, but I can't. I've looked back through our posts SEVERAL times, and I really still can not see where he posted anything that made it look like I was wrong. Obviously I was not the only person who felt this way or he would not of been lynched.

As for Bally, no I don't see where she has done herself any favors either, my point is only that I've seen this happen to her many times when she was innocent. I'm not saying no one should think she is scum, or that I 100% think she is innocent..I just do not know if that points her toward evil, because of it. Have you never seen her post something off, then when questioned get all flustered and start rewording things in the end being lynched and innocent (on several occasions)? Now, that does not in any way mean she can't be or isn't evil. I just prefer to see a bit more from her before making that decision. In this set up it only take one wrong lynch, and it's game over for us with a evil win.


Why is that? Is there not still the Grinch and his/her evil elf...plus add to that we don't know what those cookies did, or who Jack Frost nipped if it was a innocent, that person is now evil so from the way I understand things we have at least 2 evil, with the possibility of 1-2 more depending on the cookies and nip. I am willing to say the cookies were more likely a piece of info...but we do not know.


As far as UN, I agree he has been playing much different this game and if he is innocent, I hope to see more of this play style. I will agree also that it does make me nervous.

FF it has been shown that Pap in fact said he voted 2H because he said Rich was unlynchable...the post was pulled and shown to you...where do you get this "gut feeling"

In your list..no you did not say "gut feeling", in your response to Pap however you said it was a "gut feeling", I twisted nothing.

Not defending Pap no, you posted he voted 2H on a gut feeling, when he said in his post that it was because of him stating Rich was unlynchable, so yes I commented on it

Yes, he voted 2H because of the unlynchable thing, but he was perfectly fine with 2H or Dun, and I was wondering why he picked 2H. He said 'Gut feeling" that 2H was scummier then dun.

 

[Fishfriend1]

I began to think that as well FF. I'm not sure someone who didn't have the role could come up with this role unless LR gave it to them. I don't think these roles were made public anywhere unless I missed it in the sign up thread.

even if he is telling the truth, we have 3 people on that list. At least one is evil, but the other two are mysteries, and we don't even know which one is the evil. Course, if he is evil, he has at least 1 other person there to help him think up a good role and abilities. Since there is such a margin for error, we could prove his falseness until all three people are dead, at which point the game would be lost. I'm probably not going to pay his RC much credence because of that.

 

[rich311k]

even if he is telling the truth, we have 3 people on that list. At least one is evil, but the other two are mysteries, and we don't even know which one is the evil. Course, if he is evil, he has at least 1 other person there to help him think up a good role and abilities. Since there is such a margin for error, we could prove his falseness until all three people are dead, at which point the game would be lost. I'm probably not going to pay his RC much credence because of that.

It is one way to look at it, but I am not seeing it that way. I guess time will tell who is right.

I vote to lynch Kashta.

 

[allaboutfish]

Does your role specifically state that or does it just say it will have one evil? I can't comment on how Lab did the role but in my notes I have it as "an evil" so that leaves the possibility of it being more than one. Also keep in mind that we may have had a rogue nip. That means there could be a NC scum out there that wasn't there to begin with...

I'm not saying that I definitely think both are scum together either. They're just up there on my radar.

i specificaly states only one evil.

even if he is telling the truth, we have 3 people on that list. At least one is evil, but the other two are mysteries, and we don't even know which one is the evil. Course, if he is evil, he has at least 1 other person there to help him think up a good role and abilities. Since there is such a margin for error, we could prove his falseness until all three people are dead, at which point the game would be lost. I'm probably not going to pay his RC much credence because of that.

1 is evil 2 are innocent. right when i posted that i knew to look at the people trying to get people to stop looking at it. FF im leaning you as scum. id like to hear more from bally and kashta before i vote.

 

[Fishfriend1]

i specificaly states only one evil.

1 is evil 2 are innocent. right when i posted that i knew to look at the people trying to get people to stop looking at it. FF im leaning you as scum. id like to hear more from bally and kashta before i vote.

Haw. You're leaning me evil because I don't trust you?

 

[allaboutfish]

Haw. You're leaning me evil because I don't trust you?

no bc you dont want people loooking at the list, when it can help us figure out whos evil, you just dont want people to lynch a teammate, you've also been playing wayy different than usual, looks more coached to me.

 

[Fishfriend1]

AAF, listen to my logic:

If you're innocent: 1/3 chance of voting an evil on your list. better odds then if we just did the entire town, but not good ones, if we take out both innocents first we'll have lost the game.

If you're evil: Then that entire list is BS to get us to suicide into losing the game. We'd have to lynch all three people before we knew if you were evil or innocent. Which means we WOULD lose.