Mafia 100-The Witches Return-The Game

[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx;2750613 said:
Oh yeah and if somebody could link me to a game in which wizard played for the scum that would be super.
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Was there something in particular you're hoping to find or draw attention to?
 
[AC] Tree_Hugger;2751008 said:
I am going to wait until a little before nightfall to post a suspect list. I really want to focus on Wiz. I got sidetracked a little with Doom, but at least they were posting. I am hoping to not get killed by the witches tonight, but think it would be a good idea to post some suspects, just in case. I think the fact that Wiz is voting for me makes me more of a suspect if he comes up as a witch, which I think he will. I think now it is all about damage control for the witches. There are still lots of non-posters and low-posters. I am surprised that no one has parked a vote on one of them.
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As a low poster I have no problem with getting voted - I've voted low posters a few times myself. I find your desire to focus on Wiz and your surprise that no one has parked a vote on low posters to be inconsistent though. Seems like you almost want to distract votes from Wiz?
 
Another long night with sick kids. I'm hoping to get to a real comp during naptime. For now: <br />
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I still think that Wizard's second post was odd, and felt off for a day 1. <br />
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I also think that unless gameplay has changed dramatically since i played last setting someone up on day 1 is kind of pointless, ss day 1 is often ignored altogether after a nightfall or 2. <br />
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Has Gunslingrr been back since the disaster that was night 1? The 1 post I saw after nightfall screamed scum to me- it was oh no, that sucked, but with no other input. It's just what you expect of someone who gloated in a mafiaden and then popped in to show townie support while planning a next move. <br />
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The spell is concerning, but I've got no insight on it. <br />
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I'll be back later with a vote.
 
Vote count:

Wizard-(6)- Hammerhead, Tree, Star, IQ, Narwhal, Scoop

Tree-(1)-Wizard
 
Wiz, I know it is day two and you are very busy, but could you give us some insight. It would be good to know some of your thoughts. I know how you feel about me and how you feel about Hammer. So that is only two. I am sure there are more than two witches. Any ideas who else might be a witch? Anyone you have leaning innocent. Many times the posts of a dying player prove to be helpful. Reguardless of how you turn up, this is a chance for you to help your team. I guess if you are a witch, it would be best not to post anymore. So is your silence your way of admitting to being a witch? I would expect some sort of fight. There is about 5 hours until nightfall. Any input would be helpful.
 
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This is the first half of my thoughts so far.

[AC] Hammerhead 991;2750541 said:
You're right, Wiz. I was incorrect in saying that Tree hit a spot with you. After all, how could anyone know how you reacted to what he was saying when you never even bothered to respond to what he was saying? It actually just struck me when I was going back through to look at your posting in particular... You never even bothered to respond. That's decidedly un-Wizlike. Or should I say un-innocent-Wizlike. You usually don't mind stirring the pot. Infact, you're usually one of the first to do so. I think many of us have seen you get yourself lynched as an overzealous townie. This time, there's really nothing at all. It's like you're trying to go unnoticed. I'm not buying it. An innocent Wiz is usually questioning everyone and everything. An innocent Wiz says "I"m going to go back and look" and then comes back wtih observations. You've given us nothing so far.

That all being said, I do think that Tree's vote hit a note with someone. When I said that someone got "caught up in emotion" I was referring to those who voted Tree so closely after he voted you. Obviously, Driver is innocent. That leaves either Wing-Nut or Cnote. At least one of them are your accomplices. That's more of a gut feel for now.

Then there's this... so far, Tree and I have come out against you. Both times, every time your name gets mentioned, Wiz, the person doing the mentioning becomes the attacked. That's seems a bit more than coincidental to me. Take into account also that Doomsday seems pretty averse to even looking at Wing-Nut, in favor of throwing Cnote under the bus instead, and things are not looking good for Doomsday or Wing-Nut in my opinion. Wing-Nut being the first to jump on Tree after voting you, Doomsday being the one to jump on me.

So, when I say someone got caught up in emotion, I guess I'm really referring to Wing Nut in this case. He saw that a teammate was being voted for, and jumped on the person casting the vote. He did it without thinking or checking in with the den. That's getting caught up in emotion. That fact also suggests to me that WIZ IS THE HIGH PRIEST!

So, to sum up:

I'm sure Wiz has to be the High Priest. In fact: I vote to burn Wiz at the stake. This vote will not be changing until Wiz is proved to be the scum that he is.
Doomsday: for your reactcion to the very basic notes that I posted, and your unwillingness to even look at Wing, you are scum.
Wing: because of Doomy's defense of you, and your seemingly "random" vote on the person who just voted your boss, you are also scum.


Keep in mind here, townies... If the High Priest is killed, the scum only get a 50% turn each night. That increases things strongly in our favor, especially this early in the game.

This message paid for by the "tie the Wizard to the stake and roast him like Charlie Sheen on Comedy Central committee."
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This entire post is actually rather logical and makes sense, if you go on the assumtion that wiz is evil. However, if he isn't, the entire post is one massive blunder and pile of distractions. I do agree that it seems a little too coincidental for wiz's attackers to in turn be attacked, but then it also seems strupid for witches to be so open and bold, even if Wizard is their High Priest fella. So early in the game, revealing their cards now would be foolish and risky, if he was evil they'd be next. However, if he's innocent, they would probably be leaning innocent on most people's lists, and could say "we tried to help him". My response to this idea is that wizard may well be innocent, but both Wing Nut and Doom could very well be evil, and are leaning as such.

[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx;2750608 said:
These are the Day 1 votes at nightfall for reference purposes :-

OK lets look at the Day 1 final votes again. Things that scum do.

1. They vote for each other, ideally (for them) in a totally non-threatening way. That's because a) they have to vote for someone and b) they like to point back to the vote if the other scum gets nailed and say 'I was on him the whole time.

2. They don't like, if at all avoidable, to have their vote count for anything. On Day that is usually totally avoidable, as the town are statistically likely in the absence of a big slip up to fasten onto a townie or two.

2. They kill somebody with a view to making innocents look scummy, or to take out a really good player.

Looking at the idea that scum vote in inconsequential ways, Hammer, Wizard, Chupa, Tree (for ditching off wizard when someone joined him with a second vote), Hi IQ, Doomsday and Maelstrom would be considered. Fire was a second vote on Wizard. That is just a little less scummy than a singleton vote so I leave Fire out for now.

Delete Maestrom also- known innocent.

I take Tree off the list for the reasons I gave earlier, mildly leaning them innocent - I don't see them letting one go even to a tie on Day 1 in a game with no guaranteed turns and no effort was made to save Tree. I would lean Wingnut, C-Note and Driver innocent based on not making inconsequential votes, and interestingly Driver is of course, a (dead) known innocent.

I can make a stronger case for Wingnut being innocent based on him also having two votes himself. Again I don't believe that the witches would allow this to be the case so close to nightfall on Day 1, if he was a witch, with the risk of 3 votes getting you in a tie for the lynch.

This would also allow me to lean Badhaggis and UhOh as innocent - for not being inconsequential votes.

Leaving Hammer, Wizard, Chupa, Hi IQ and Doomsday as inconsequential votes. Hold that thought.

I said earlier that scum vote for themselves a lot on Day 1. The reason is that they can do it knowing that they won't get a dangerous reaction from the person voted for, they can stage some kind of argument if they like and also if a couple more votes do come on, they can take their own vote off as necessary and put it elsewhere for the save. They can also point backwards if one of them does get exposed and killed and say 'yeah I was on him from the start'.

Anyway, ideally as a scummy Day 1 voter a couple of them park their bs votes on each other.

Turning to the actual votes, Doomsday voted for Hi IQ and Hi IQ voted for Doomsday. Turning back to Wizard and Chupa, Wizard voted for Chupa.

Chupa voted for Rickets, for the record.

OK so those are my thoughts based on a bog standard scum Day 1 vote plan.

Turning to the hit :-

Maelstrom is a known innocent and one who was killed by the death spell. Unless they thought Maelstrom was a top player they would hit him just to make townies look bad. In fact even if the hit was done because they thought he was good they would be looking to get some suspicion onto townies as well anyway.

Gunslinger and Rickets were voting for Maelstrom. There is some cause for thinking that they might therefore be innocent and that the witches hope to use their votes in the future against them.

In passing I comment that Maelstrom was voting for me. I believe Maelstrom was quite likely also hit to make it look as if he was on to something in doing this - reason being his vote was based on an analysis of my posts and not just random. I only make this comment in basing. Of course, I lean myself as a known innocent but you people can't know that.

I don't know that I'm willing to lean Gunslinger and Rickets innocent based on the same logic but I could certainly be persuaded. In any event, by being part of a potentially consequential vote (lynching an innocent Mael if somebody else jumped on), I would lean them a little innocent as per the discussion on inconsequential/consequential votes above.

In summary for those reasons I lean Wizard, Hi IQ and Doomsday just a little bit scummy when compared to the rest of the town because they each come in under both headings of Day 1 scumtells. I don't know how I feel about Chupas vote on Rickets but it is interesting.

These are very mild leanings I stress and not based on posts made by any of them. I will be re-reading the thread later to see how I feel about their posts generally.
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I agree with all three of your points here, about how mafia try to vote when they can, especially on day one. I even agree with how your logic implicates wiz, HIIQ, and Doom. However, I also think that you shouldn't write people off simply because they had a somewhat consequential vote on day one. I have to go back and check the voting times, but if there were people who placed a second vote after three votes had been placed on someone else their vote should count on the inconsequential side of this just as much as a first voter.

[AC] Tree_Hugger;2750642 said:
This is why I made the comment about the wizard being a good player. I have also came to the conclusion that he plays often (more then FireDancer7905) and because of this he has friends that call him by Wiz. I think making comments about day one being dead or really any comments made about the lack of activity without adding to the activity is a scum tell. Complaining about the lack of posts is just filler. Making an excuse that there is nothing to go on, like every other day 1 in any mafia game ever played, adds nothing to the game. A seasoned vet, as I assume the Wiz (may I call you that?) is, should be aware of this. Now we have a player sticking their neck out to burn the Wiz at the stake even offering to be put up against them, on day two of all things. I vote to burn the Wiz at the stake. To answer why I tied it up, there was over an hour left, if anyone made any changes, then we could learn something. I choose Driver 8 for a few reasons, one they were the vote on me that put me in the lead, they had very few posts, they claimed they were coming back and that their vote was temporary. We also should be looking at who the witches hit, it was the most active poster. Was this to frame someone or to keep activity down? I will attempt to answer the questions aimed at me. I hope this clears some of that up.
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And what did we learn after you changed your vote, besides the names of 3 now-dead innocents? Your reasons for voting Driver are omgus, low posting, and saying they would change their vote? Only the last one holds any water, IMHO. Especially for a kill vote. However, the last one, that he would be changing his vote, seems logical until you look at the timing. Driver, at that time, still had an hour and 10 minutes to vote.

[AC] UhOhChongo;2750805 said:
I just want to say that I never realized how difficult this would be with all the aliases being used. I tried to quickly breeze through the thread but that's impossible to do.... I really need to sit and read post to post... I still am having a hard time but I am here.
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This post is just so I know where I left off, though I am curious as to why someone would make a post like this, except to up there post count.
 
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