That last quote was on there simply because I wanted to say
G/O Enjoy your time with you son Wizard!! G/O
G/O Enjoy your time with you son Wizard!! G/O
Mafia 101 - Blarney Castle: Return of the Leprechauns - Game Thread
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Sorry all. My schedule has been complicated, and with computer issues and all it hasn't been an easy week. I'm trying to keep up the best I can.
I'm interested in the Kash/Wiz/LG thing. I need to be able to go back and look through it in some more detail. I still am interested to hear Wiz and Kash's answers to my question about the Fozzy bear exchange. Kash I don't think has been on since I asked. Wiz has been and from what I've seen hasn't answered.
I can see what LG is saying about both Wiz and Kash, but there seems to also be the possibility that LG is scum and throwing a bunch of BS around.
I think Fozzy being this quiet is kind of strange after the way he started out.
I'm interested to hear what Zaffy comes back with when he comes back. I've seen him coast through at least one game when scum.
I guess those are the things that are most interesting to me right now. I should be able to get back later this afternoon to put some more time into things.
I'm interested in the Kash/Wiz/LG thing. I need to be able to go back and look through it in some more detail. I still am interested to hear Wiz and Kash's answers to my question about the Fozzy bear exchange. Kash I don't think has been on since I asked. Wiz has been and from what I've seen hasn't answered.
I can see what LG is saying about both Wiz and Kash, but there seems to also be the possibility that LG is scum and throwing a bunch of BS around.
I think Fozzy being this quiet is kind of strange after the way he started out.
I'm interested to hear what Zaffy comes back with when he comes back. I've seen him coast through at least one game when scum.
I guess those are the things that are most interesting to me right now. I should be able to get back later this afternoon to put some more time into things.
Back for a little while at least to catch up in the game.
I have skimmed through to the current posts... which are very interesting.. lol. In light of all that stuff I saw I figured it'd be worthwhile to make N1 voting and nightfall reactions a good starting point from which to read everything through again to the present. I needed to reread the posts from O3T anyway... so I did that at the same time while catching up with the thread. Besides, the thread has still been slow enough that it wasn't that much more to look at all of Day 2 instead of just continuing where I left off before.
O3T pushed hard trying to make AAF self destruct and put him into the lead with a 3rd vote. Chill didn't vote but was NC anyway so we get no connection from him.
With O3T on AAF I would expect their communicating scummates most likely went somewhere else with their votes as spread out as the vote tally was. To me, it's a good bet that neither Zaffy nor Fozzy were on the communicating team with O3T.
I don't see AAF as enough of a threat to the scum team to give them reason to double up their votes on any one person just to lynch AAF the first night. I also don't believe all that stuff about AAF coming from O3T was play-acting just for distancing purposes.
Based on N1 votes and knowing O3T was confirmed evil, I'm inclined to lean AAF, Zaffy, and Fozzy as innocent. O3T's day 1 behavior alone clears AAF from suspicion IMO and the proximity of voting right there suggests Zaffy and Fozzy are probably innocent too.
I think this examination is sound and if it's true, we had 2 innocents (Red and AAF) in the running for the lynch. Dawg tried to shake things up to see if anyone on the scum side might jump. Also to see which way Chill might vote when he got there. Knowing that Dawg was innocent, there's no basis to wonder anymore if Dawg did something scummy by switching his vote. With two innocents tied for the lynch, the scum team did nothing as a result of Dawg's vote switch.
I have skimmed through to the current posts... which are very interesting.. lol. In light of all that stuff I saw I figured it'd be worthwhile to make N1 voting and nightfall reactions a good starting point from which to read everything through again to the present. I needed to reread the posts from O3T anyway... so I did that at the same time while catching up with the thread. Besides, the thread has still been slow enough that it wasn't that much more to look at all of Day 2 instead of just continuing where I left off before.
O3T pushed hard trying to make AAF self destruct and put him into the lead with a 3rd vote. Chill didn't vote but was NC anyway so we get no connection from him.
With O3T on AAF I would expect their communicating scummates most likely went somewhere else with their votes as spread out as the vote tally was. To me, it's a good bet that neither Zaffy nor Fozzy were on the communicating team with O3T.
I don't see AAF as enough of a threat to the scum team to give them reason to double up their votes on any one person just to lynch AAF the first night. I also don't believe all that stuff about AAF coming from O3T was play-acting just for distancing purposes.
Based on N1 votes and knowing O3T was confirmed evil, I'm inclined to lean AAF, Zaffy, and Fozzy as innocent. O3T's day 1 behavior alone clears AAF from suspicion IMO and the proximity of voting right there suggests Zaffy and Fozzy are probably innocent too.
I think this examination is sound and if it's true, we had 2 innocents (Red and AAF) in the running for the lynch. Dawg tried to shake things up to see if anyone on the scum side might jump. Also to see which way Chill might vote when he got there. Knowing that Dawg was innocent, there's no basis to wonder anymore if Dawg did something scummy by switching his vote. With two innocents tied for the lynch, the scum team did nothing as a result of Dawg's vote switch.
(In the interest to save time at the moment, I'm not going to quote posts right now. If there's any question about a post later on, though, just say so and I'll be happy to do that later.)
I couldn't find anything suspicious in everyone's reaction posts except one: Hi IQ made an immediate post to make 3 points: "so we break even" then "good save by the doc" then "I have to say I'm glad Chill UD'd... he's a tough cookie to figure out."
That "so we break even" remark really lacks enthusiasm and the rest which followed sounds forced. N1 we lost a regular townie, the mafia hit failed, and scum self-destructed. That's just breaking even from a townie point of view? Really?
No it surely is not.... that's absolutely fantastic considering we'd normally lose a townie or even a PR to the lynch, lose another townie or PR to their hit, and how many times it's a townie that UDs instead of scum. Hi IQ also hedged a little bit when they did not say "I'm glad Chill UD'd...." but qualified their remark with "I have to say I'm glad....." instead. I wonder if Hi IQ was still pouting at the time they wrote this.
The way this reads, Hi IQ tried to express the "right" sentiment immediately following a tremedously positive N1 nightfall result for the town, looking how it actually came out in words, however, shows a clear lack of enthusiasm and a sense that they "had to" say something totally opposite from the truth.
After night, the town was delighted and relieved it wasn't a bad result like usual. The scum were very disappointed our lynch took out an innocent who wasn't a PR, disappointed their hit failed, and disappointed to learn their non-communicating teammate took himself out of the game not getting back in time to vote. All the scum team got out of that night was 1 regular townie. That's a horrible result for scum on Night 1.
The scum team must also have been surprised. They didn't get the hit they were counting on and lost a NC teammate unexpectedly to boot. Hi IQ's initial reaction was not a prepared statement made long after the event happened and they'd taken time to get better composed first before posting. That surprise and disappointment the scum team must have felt comes across quite well despite the happy pretense attempted in Hi IQ's post.
Here is the actual statement from Hi IQ, which hit the thread 7 minutes after Labby said "game on."
So we break even,good save by the doc. I have to say I'm glad Chill UD'd,he is a tuff cookie to figure out.
Anyone else see any true happiness in that post? Anyone see anything enthusiastic? Is there anything there at all that doesn't read bland or neutral from Hi IQ? It's an awful blah way for someone to say express how excited they are that N1 turned out so well.
With this in mind, Hi IQ's next post could be a tart bunch of sour grapes.
luck of the Irish must be on our side.
Yes, although that luck of the Irish favored the town. Someone in the scum den might even have said as much while nightfall was happening.... or at least thought it. Change the "their" to "our" real quick and it's an acceptable sentiment to post in the game thread from scum who's got nothing whatsoever to say, yet still feels a need to say something. All Hi IQ had to do was take out the grumbling sarcasm from that thought first and we'd get the message that Hi IQ counts themself on the "town side." Trying to blend in, I could see why scum might try to say something... anything... at that time to suggest they are a townie in our minds.
Now just for comparison sake........ here was O3T's initial reaction. Notice the enthusiasm? O3T managed quite well to hide their real emotions a whole lot better than Hi IQ did.
Sorry to see you go Red but that was a darn good night one! Nice save "doc"!
There's nothing suspicious about that reaction and we know O3T was evil. You might take that as an example, Hi IQ, how better to disguise your disappointment in the future.
I couldn't find anything suspicious in everyone's reaction posts except one: Hi IQ made an immediate post to make 3 points: "so we break even" then "good save by the doc" then "I have to say I'm glad Chill UD'd... he's a tough cookie to figure out."
That "so we break even" remark really lacks enthusiasm and the rest which followed sounds forced. N1 we lost a regular townie, the mafia hit failed, and scum self-destructed. That's just breaking even from a townie point of view? Really?
No it surely is not.... that's absolutely fantastic considering we'd normally lose a townie or even a PR to the lynch, lose another townie or PR to their hit, and how many times it's a townie that UDs instead of scum. Hi IQ also hedged a little bit when they did not say "I'm glad Chill UD'd...." but qualified their remark with "I have to say I'm glad....." instead. I wonder if Hi IQ was still pouting at the time they wrote this.
The way this reads, Hi IQ tried to express the "right" sentiment immediately following a tremedously positive N1 nightfall result for the town, looking how it actually came out in words, however, shows a clear lack of enthusiasm and a sense that they "had to" say something totally opposite from the truth.
After night, the town was delighted and relieved it wasn't a bad result like usual. The scum were very disappointed our lynch took out an innocent who wasn't a PR, disappointed their hit failed, and disappointed to learn their non-communicating teammate took himself out of the game not getting back in time to vote. All the scum team got out of that night was 1 regular townie. That's a horrible result for scum on Night 1.
The scum team must also have been surprised. They didn't get the hit they were counting on and lost a NC teammate unexpectedly to boot. Hi IQ's initial reaction was not a prepared statement made long after the event happened and they'd taken time to get better composed first before posting. That surprise and disappointment the scum team must have felt comes across quite well despite the happy pretense attempted in Hi IQ's post.
Here is the actual statement from Hi IQ, which hit the thread 7 minutes after Labby said "game on."
So we break even,good save by the doc. I have to say I'm glad Chill UD'd,he is a tuff cookie to figure out.
Anyone else see any true happiness in that post? Anyone see anything enthusiastic? Is there anything there at all that doesn't read bland or neutral from Hi IQ? It's an awful blah way for someone to say express how excited they are that N1 turned out so well.
With this in mind, Hi IQ's next post could be a tart bunch of sour grapes.
luck of the Irish must be on our side.
Yes, although that luck of the Irish favored the town. Someone in the scum den might even have said as much while nightfall was happening.... or at least thought it. Change the "their" to "our" real quick and it's an acceptable sentiment to post in the game thread from scum who's got nothing whatsoever to say, yet still feels a need to say something. All Hi IQ had to do was take out the grumbling sarcasm from that thought first and we'd get the message that Hi IQ counts themself on the "town side." Trying to blend in, I could see why scum might try to say something... anything... at that time to suggest they are a townie in our minds.
Now just for comparison sake........ here was O3T's initial reaction. Notice the enthusiasm? O3T managed quite well to hide their real emotions a whole lot better than Hi IQ did.
Sorry to see you go Red but that was a darn good night one! Nice save "doc"!
There's nothing suspicious about that reaction and we know O3T was evil. You might take that as an example, Hi IQ, how better to disguise your disappointment in the future.
This is from the post where O3T made their slip. But this time it isn't the slip part that I'm talking about.
I would say that LG's vote doesn't do anything to make me learn her one way or the other at this point. No one except Chill knew he was scum.
Reading this and having reason now to suspect O3T and Lady G may have been communicating bears out another point we may not have noticed before. Dawg initially lowered Lady G on his suspect list based on her voting to lynch Chill. Chill was already dead and wasn't communicating with the scum team.
We know now that O3T knew this first hand. O3T may also have known first hand that Lady G (specifically) couldn't possibly be communicating with Chill because O3T was communicating with her themself. That's kind of funny to read this again with that thought in mind.
So..... when O3T made that slip which got him killed, it was the last part of it that we focused on because that Chill remark was such a huge, glaring slip. Chill being the only one who knew his role. O3T didn't realize when they typed this out they were also letting us know the scum team didn't know Chill was their teammate. That's a point we know is factual now.
So what was O3T's purpose behind this message? Why did they post this at all?
There were 2 points that O3T focused on: (1) O3T disagreed with Dawg and (2) O3T did not think Lady G's vote on Chill meant anything in terms of HER ROLE. Plus 1 other point that O3T should have given more thought to but (thankfully) did not: (3) No one but Chill knew he was scum.
Maybe that Lady G part was something else O3T also knew as absolute fact........ if O3T and Lady G were on the scum team together. O3T did go on to state no one but Chill knew Chill's role -- which O3T knew as fact, but which O3T was also just throwing that part in at the end as an afterthought.
Usually when someone makes a slip like that it's because they're not focused on the significance of that 2nd part, as it's more of an addition or afterthought to the 1st statement THEY consider more important. So to slip like that I figure O3T must have been focused on the Lady G part.
But why? Because it was about Lady G? Maybe so. To better answer this question, consider other reasons why O3T might have said anything there.
Based on the statements themselves...... O3T didn't post that to raise suspicion on Lady G. Didn't post that to lower suspicion on Lady G. Didn't post that to distance themself from Lady G. Didn't post that to question why Dawg might imply Lady G may be innocent, thus suggesting a possible Dawg/Lady G connection. Or anything else that I can imagine to indicate why else O3T made any comment at all.
In fact, the whole point of that statement was nothing... totally neutral toward Lady G... totally neutral toward Dawg. And we know it was NOT intended to focus on that part about Chill (the slip itself). lol. Was O3T purpose there to really say nothing about anything at all? A post made just for post's sake to make it appear O3T was active and participating in the discussion, but without actually contributing anything the town could use against anyone. I guess that's entirely possible.
There's only one other possibility I can think of that makes any sense..... that maybe O3T had the thought that Dawg might draw suspicion onto himself for leaning Lady G more innocent so early in the game as a result of her vote on Chill. It may just be this possibility was central in O3T's mind at the time since Dawg and I were both discussing whether or not Lady G's vote on Chill had any bearing on her role.
I'd say it must either be that or there was no reason behind the post whatsoever.
As scum, O3T would surely not try to protect an innocent Dawg from drawing suspicion for any reason. But if Dawg was suspected on this basis, then an equal amount of suspicion would also fall onto Lady G too. And that wouldn't be good for the scum side if, in fact, Lady G is evil in the scumden with O3T.
I would say that LG's vote doesn't do anything to make me learn her one way or the other at this point. No one except Chill knew he was scum.
Reading this and having reason now to suspect O3T and Lady G may have been communicating bears out another point we may not have noticed before. Dawg initially lowered Lady G on his suspect list based on her voting to lynch Chill. Chill was already dead and wasn't communicating with the scum team.
We know now that O3T knew this first hand. O3T may also have known first hand that Lady G (specifically) couldn't possibly be communicating with Chill because O3T was communicating with her themself. That's kind of funny to read this again with that thought in mind.
So..... when O3T made that slip which got him killed, it was the last part of it that we focused on because that Chill remark was such a huge, glaring slip. Chill being the only one who knew his role. O3T didn't realize when they typed this out they were also letting us know the scum team didn't know Chill was their teammate. That's a point we know is factual now.
So what was O3T's purpose behind this message? Why did they post this at all?
There were 2 points that O3T focused on: (1) O3T disagreed with Dawg and (2) O3T did not think Lady G's vote on Chill meant anything in terms of HER ROLE. Plus 1 other point that O3T should have given more thought to but (thankfully) did not: (3) No one but Chill knew he was scum.
Maybe that Lady G part was something else O3T also knew as absolute fact........ if O3T and Lady G were on the scum team together. O3T did go on to state no one but Chill knew Chill's role -- which O3T knew as fact, but which O3T was also just throwing that part in at the end as an afterthought.
Usually when someone makes a slip like that it's because they're not focused on the significance of that 2nd part, as it's more of an addition or afterthought to the 1st statement THEY consider more important. So to slip like that I figure O3T must have been focused on the Lady G part.
But why? Because it was about Lady G? Maybe so. To better answer this question, consider other reasons why O3T might have said anything there.
Based on the statements themselves...... O3T didn't post that to raise suspicion on Lady G. Didn't post that to lower suspicion on Lady G. Didn't post that to distance themself from Lady G. Didn't post that to question why Dawg might imply Lady G may be innocent, thus suggesting a possible Dawg/Lady G connection. Or anything else that I can imagine to indicate why else O3T made any comment at all.
In fact, the whole point of that statement was nothing... totally neutral toward Lady G... totally neutral toward Dawg. And we know it was NOT intended to focus on that part about Chill (the slip itself). lol. Was O3T purpose there to really say nothing about anything at all? A post made just for post's sake to make it appear O3T was active and participating in the discussion, but without actually contributing anything the town could use against anyone. I guess that's entirely possible.
There's only one other possibility I can think of that makes any sense..... that maybe O3T had the thought that Dawg might draw suspicion onto himself for leaning Lady G more innocent so early in the game as a result of her vote on Chill. It may just be this possibility was central in O3T's mind at the time since Dawg and I were both discussing whether or not Lady G's vote on Chill had any bearing on her role.
I'd say it must either be that or there was no reason behind the post whatsoever.
As scum, O3T would surely not try to protect an innocent Dawg from drawing suspicion for any reason. But if Dawg was suspected on this basis, then an equal amount of suspicion would also fall onto Lady G too. And that wouldn't be good for the scum side if, in fact, Lady G is evil in the scumden with O3T.
O3T - Wow, lots of question marks. I'll try to answer everything but forgive me if I miss one...
That was the lead in part to the post where O3T answered all the questions I asked them. (That top line included just for visual reference in case someone wants to go look for the post.) O3T actually went on to answer my questions very well at the time. Their answers were very well thought out and didn't seem all that suspicious.
Then they posted this....
Really Kashta? In a numbers game you would trade TWO OR THREE townies for ONE player?
Don't get me wrong, I think Dawg is a solid mafia player. But that is an awfully troubling statement to me. Maybe it would make more sense if Dawg was say a super important PR, but to say that just based on his game play abilities seems like a huge stretch to me.
As an evil, O3T surely didn't like being questioned so hard by me that early in the game when they weren't getting much attention yet. AAF was drawing more attention at the time and that's how O3T wanted the town to react. So the leprechauns must have worried at least a little bit that I might be onto O3T or that the town might at least look at them harder when they saw me questioning O3T.
O3T also didn't know yet that they'd just posted a slip which would result in them becoming our next lynch. They had no reason yet to think O3T questioning me might be looked at with suspicion in mind toward O3T instead of me.
O3T decided to pick out one of my comments and use that to raise suspicion against me in the town's mind.
The fact is, that wasn't a troubling statement at all coming from me. O3T just wanted to make it sound like it was. Besides.... Dawg's play ability is common knowledge anyway and he is widely respected by everyone in the game. Anyone who plays mafia with Dawg can plainly see Dawg's value for themself. That was certainly not a huge stretch at all for me to say how much I value Dawg's contribution to the town whenever Dawg is innocent a whole lot more than what we get from many other players.
The intent behind this post is clear enough on it's own. O3T wanted the town to suspect me. Maybe then we wouldn't look at O3T so hard.
That was the lead in part to the post where O3T answered all the questions I asked them. (That top line included just for visual reference in case someone wants to go look for the post.) O3T actually went on to answer my questions very well at the time. Their answers were very well thought out and didn't seem all that suspicious.
Then they posted this....
Really Kashta? In a numbers game you would trade TWO OR THREE townies for ONE player?
Don't get me wrong, I think Dawg is a solid mafia player. But that is an awfully troubling statement to me. Maybe it would make more sense if Dawg was say a super important PR, but to say that just based on his game play abilities seems like a huge stretch to me.
As an evil, O3T surely didn't like being questioned so hard by me that early in the game when they weren't getting much attention yet. AAF was drawing more attention at the time and that's how O3T wanted the town to react. So the leprechauns must have worried at least a little bit that I might be onto O3T or that the town might at least look at them harder when they saw me questioning O3T.
O3T also didn't know yet that they'd just posted a slip which would result in them becoming our next lynch. They had no reason yet to think O3T questioning me might be looked at with suspicion in mind toward O3T instead of me.
O3T decided to pick out one of my comments and use that to raise suspicion against me in the town's mind.
The fact is, that wasn't a troubling statement at all coming from me. O3T just wanted to make it sound like it was. Besides.... Dawg's play ability is common knowledge anyway and he is widely respected by everyone in the game. Anyone who plays mafia with Dawg can plainly see Dawg's value for themself. That was certainly not a huge stretch at all for me to say how much I value Dawg's contribution to the town whenever Dawg is innocent a whole lot more than what we get from many other players.
The intent behind this post is clear enough on it's own. O3T wanted the town to suspect me. Maybe then we wouldn't look at O3T so hard.
Here O3T agrees with JB about Lady G's vote on Chill. And now O3T decided to agree with Dawg to lean Lady G more innocent based on nothing but her N1 vote on Chill.
You're right, my mistake. For some reason in my head I thought Lab said that Chill was the non communicator but he could have been with the team.
That does lower LG on my list then.
The two points O3T wants us to see is O3T's lame-arse explanation trying to talk themself out of the stupid slip (which didin't work) and for us to view Lady G more innocent than guilty.
At this point in the game, O3T's posting indicates something at least........ 1) That O3T wants me gone or at least seriously looked at, and 2) they don't want us looking very hard at Lady G.
You're right, my mistake. For some reason in my head I thought Lab said that Chill was the non communicator but he could have been with the team.
That does lower LG on my list then.
The two points O3T wants us to see is O3T's lame-arse explanation trying to talk themself out of the stupid slip (which didin't work) and for us to view Lady G more innocent than guilty.
At this point in the game, O3T's posting indicates something at least........ 1) That O3T wants me gone or at least seriously looked at, and 2) they don't want us looking very hard at Lady G.
From Hi IQ to Dawg:
As many times as scum vote each other as distancing on day 1 I can't clear LG and actually its going to make me look harder at her. I was already going to look at you for tying up AAF and Red as well as AAF. Under the same pretense of distancing. Its pretty coincidental that LG voted Chill(scum), AAF voted Dawg and Dawg tied Red up with AAF.
LG voted Chill -- Yes I believe it was coincidental that LG voted Chill for being scummy. And nothing more.
Lady G had no way of knowing whether Chill was innocent or evil and there wasn't anything in the game thread to tip her off about Chill one way or the other.
Chill did not make a single game-related post on Day 1. And he did not leave any trace of anything at all behind in the thread for us to examine. Chill UD'd so we didn't even get the benefit of his vote to consider. Chill didn't ask anyone game-related questions or make any post that I saw to show he might suspect someone or lean someone innocent. LG's vote on Chill was unfounded, totally baseless and without meaning. For some reason, Lady G just doesn't want to admit that to us. (Remember, I said before it was a wash... neutral. I considered it inconsequential in terms of Lady G's alignment.)
Of course, Lady G tried to make some claim yesterday that she voted Chill based on his posts just for a so-called "feeling" she got from them. LMAO. That's just funny.
If LG or anyone else got ANY kind of a "feeling" about Chill at all it would have to have been based on him NOT making any useful posts in the game thread. What did Chill do in this game? He posted videos, made fluff posts, and waited until the very end to place his vote. This is nothing unusual from Chill in mafia games in general on Day 1. He posts videos, makes fluff posts, and waits with his vote quite often in these games on the first day -- both when he's innocent AND when he's evil. Usually, he does manage to find some time to make at least some game-related posts the first day to show he's involved. This time, however, he did not. But Chill is also quite busy with something or other in a lot games. The truth is... there's nothing inherently suspicious about that from Chill, Lady G, that could have possibly given you a scummy "feeling" about Chill.
Last game, Chill was scum under the alias name Scoop and he kept apologizing to his teammates in the scumden for his lack of participation. He flat out didn't have enough free time to participate enough. So even Chill's prolonged absence in this game wouldn't be suspicious to anyone who is familiar with Chill's recent play or his recent level of participation.
The fact is, Lady G... that based on Chill's posts, Chill didn't actually get into this game at all and then for some reason he wasn't able to get onto the thread soon enough to make a vote because something somewhere must have gotten in the way.... something came up beyond Chill's control which delayed him getting to the thread in time. There's absolutely nothing from Chill in this thread for us to base ANYTHING about Chill from his posts.
Yet....... Lady G miraculously had a hunch... and that's why she claims she voted him. lol.
Clearly, that is just another one of LG's bogus "feelings" that she uses when she's scum and either doesn't want to explain her real intentions or she can't find one shred of evidence to support one of her so-called "suspicions."
AAF voted Dawg -- An innocent AAF (my opinion) voted an innocent Dawg (confirmed). Yes, that would make the vote coincidental. It's unfortunate as an innocent to vote another innocent on Day 1 but that's hardly rare, unusual, or even noteworthy. Sadly, it's actually par for the course for innocents to vote fellow innocents by mistake the very first night. I sure wouldn't say it's coincidental for any reason.
Dawg tied Red up with AAF -- There we had an innocent Dawg (confirmed) creating a tie 20 minutes before nightfall between two innocents (Red/confirmed and AAF/my opinion) to find out what Chill would do about it and to see if it might flush scum out. Dawg was innocent so we know there was no malicious intent behind his vote switch. What he did and what he told us his intentions were behind that were completely truthful. Scum would know none of these 3 names were with them in the scumden. And Hi IQ calls this coincidental.
With this post...... HI IQ is trying to make something out of absolutely nothing, tell us it's all too coincidental, and try to use several totally unrelated details in combination with each other to confuse the town, hoping to raise suspicion toward innocents.
As many times as scum vote each other as distancing on day 1 I can't clear LG and actually its going to make me look harder at her. I was already going to look at you for tying up AAF and Red as well as AAF. Under the same pretense of distancing. Its pretty coincidental that LG voted Chill(scum), AAF voted Dawg and Dawg tied Red up with AAF.
LG voted Chill -- Yes I believe it was coincidental that LG voted Chill for being scummy. And nothing more.
Lady G had no way of knowing whether Chill was innocent or evil and there wasn't anything in the game thread to tip her off about Chill one way or the other.
Chill did not make a single game-related post on Day 1. And he did not leave any trace of anything at all behind in the thread for us to examine. Chill UD'd so we didn't even get the benefit of his vote to consider. Chill didn't ask anyone game-related questions or make any post that I saw to show he might suspect someone or lean someone innocent. LG's vote on Chill was unfounded, totally baseless and without meaning. For some reason, Lady G just doesn't want to admit that to us. (Remember, I said before it was a wash... neutral. I considered it inconsequential in terms of Lady G's alignment.)
Of course, Lady G tried to make some claim yesterday that she voted Chill based on his posts just for a so-called "feeling" she got from them. LMAO. That's just funny.
If LG or anyone else got ANY kind of a "feeling" about Chill at all it would have to have been based on him NOT making any useful posts in the game thread. What did Chill do in this game? He posted videos, made fluff posts, and waited until the very end to place his vote. This is nothing unusual from Chill in mafia games in general on Day 1. He posts videos, makes fluff posts, and waits with his vote quite often in these games on the first day -- both when he's innocent AND when he's evil. Usually, he does manage to find some time to make at least some game-related posts the first day to show he's involved. This time, however, he did not. But Chill is also quite busy with something or other in a lot games. The truth is... there's nothing inherently suspicious about that from Chill, Lady G, that could have possibly given you a scummy "feeling" about Chill.
Last game, Chill was scum under the alias name Scoop and he kept apologizing to his teammates in the scumden for his lack of participation. He flat out didn't have enough free time to participate enough. So even Chill's prolonged absence in this game wouldn't be suspicious to anyone who is familiar with Chill's recent play or his recent level of participation.
The fact is, Lady G... that based on Chill's posts, Chill didn't actually get into this game at all and then for some reason he wasn't able to get onto the thread soon enough to make a vote because something somewhere must have gotten in the way.... something came up beyond Chill's control which delayed him getting to the thread in time. There's absolutely nothing from Chill in this thread for us to base ANYTHING about Chill from his posts.
Yet....... Lady G miraculously had a hunch... and that's why she claims she voted him. lol.
Clearly, that is just another one of LG's bogus "feelings" that she uses when she's scum and either doesn't want to explain her real intentions or she can't find one shred of evidence to support one of her so-called "suspicions."
AAF voted Dawg -- An innocent AAF (my opinion) voted an innocent Dawg (confirmed). Yes, that would make the vote coincidental. It's unfortunate as an innocent to vote another innocent on Day 1 but that's hardly rare, unusual, or even noteworthy. Sadly, it's actually par for the course for innocents to vote fellow innocents by mistake the very first night. I sure wouldn't say it's coincidental for any reason.
Dawg tied Red up with AAF -- There we had an innocent Dawg (confirmed) creating a tie 20 minutes before nightfall between two innocents (Red/confirmed and AAF/my opinion) to find out what Chill would do about it and to see if it might flush scum out. Dawg was innocent so we know there was no malicious intent behind his vote switch. What he did and what he told us his intentions were behind that were completely truthful. Scum would know none of these 3 names were with them in the scumden. And Hi IQ calls this coincidental.
With this post...... HI IQ is trying to make something out of absolutely nothing, tell us it's all too coincidental, and try to use several totally unrelated details in combination with each other to confuse the town, hoping to raise suspicion toward innocents.
I vote to lynch Kash
I realize you may not be done with this long drawn out posts that just go in circles and are hard to follow but you STILL have not answered ANY questions directed to you. These are posts full of fluff and hot air Kash, designed to make it look like you are saying something when by the end of the post you really have said nothing.
I realize you may not be done with this long drawn out posts that just go in circles and are hard to follow but you STILL have not answered ANY questions directed to you. These are posts full of fluff and hot air Kash, designed to make it look like you are saying something when by the end of the post you really have said nothing.
