Mafia 101 - Blarney Castle: Return of the Leprechauns - Game Thread

[[AC] Driver8]

This from Driver....

In the long run, not a bad night one with an evil UD and a save pick that worked, provided the saved is innocent, and I have no reason to believe they are or aren't.

This was a very late reaction post to N1 events that we got the next day. Driver has been absent a lot.

That "provided the saved is innocent" part is just plain weird. The implication is it's either a first time player, a noob, or a vet trying to look like a noob. I can't tell if Driver is supicious or not but I think we need to lean them on the scum side. It's a little late to give them any benefit of doubt any longer as they are noticeably absent from the game. We don't even know who's playing under that alias name to tell if this is typical or unusual game play from them.

We are far enough along now that anyone absent to this extent must be looked at with suspicion. They aren't contributing and may very well be hiding out.

Not weird at all from the standpoint of when I made the comment. More than once from the threads I have read, Doc's have mistakenly saved evils.

I have a job...doesn't let me get here as often as I like, nor make dozens of posts in a row in colors and quotes, just to seem as if helping the town like some folks appear to be.

"We don't even know who's playing under that alias name to tell if this is typical or unusual game play from them."....errmm...kind of the point of an alias isn't it? Might want Wiz to read it and see if he can explain that to yeah, even though he has difficulty with comprehension at times, IMO.

 

[Kashta]

Not weird at all from the standpoint of when I made the comment. More than once from the threads I have read, Doc's have mistakenly saved evils.

I have a job...doesn't let me get here as often as I like, nor make dozens of posts in a row in colors and quotes, just to seem as if helping the town like some folks appear to be.

"We don't even know who's playing under that alias name to tell if this is typical or unusual game play from them."....errmm...kind of the point of an alias isn't it? Might want Wiz to read it and see if he can explain that to yeah, even though he has difficulty with comprehension at times, IMO.

I'm sorry Driver, I just do not follow logic behind this statement. Please clarify this for me:

More than once Doc's have mistakenly saved evils...... from, um, what exactly?

A mafia hit aimed at their own mafia teammate was accidentally blocked by someone in a Townie PR Doctor role?

Show me 1 game out of a hundred games played at this site where that ever actually happened. :grinyes:

 

[Lady G]

Wow, that turned out a lot less horrible than usual for Day 1. Great save by the healer and Chill was scum!! Sorry to lose you Red. Hope you sign up for another.

Lab should've made Chill's UD a lot more unpleasant than that!

Just curious Kash, you made this extreme post about IQ's post after nightfall...how is yours so much better? You didn't say it was FANTASTIC as you seem to think others should have? How is what you posted not considered "forced"...just saying "Wow, that turned out a lot less horrible than usual for Day 1." There really isn't much enthusiasm?

(In the interest to save time at the moment, I'm not going to quote posts right now. If there's any question about a post later on, though, just say so and I'll be happy to do that later.)

I couldn't find anything suspicious in everyone's reaction posts except one: Hi IQ made an immediate post to make 3 points: "so we break even" then "good save by the doc" then "I have to say I'm glad Chill UD'd... he's a tough cookie to figure out."

That "so we break even" remark really lacks enthusiasm and the rest which followed sounds forced. N1 we lost a regular townie, the mafia hit failed, and scum self-destructed. That's just breaking even from a townie point of view? Really?

No it surely is not.... that's absolutely fantastic considering we'd normally lose a townie or even a PR to the lynch, lose another townie or PR to their hit, and how many times it's a townie that UDs instead of scum. Hi IQ also hedged a little bit when they did not say "I'm glad Chill UD'd...." but qualified their remark with "I have to say I'm glad....." instead. I wonder if Hi IQ was still pouting at the time they wrote this.

The way this reads, Hi IQ tried to express the "right" sentiment immediately following a tremedously positive N1 nightfall result for the town, looking how it actually came out in words, however, shows a clear lack of enthusiasm and a sense that they "had to" say something totally opposite from the truth.

After night, the town was delighted and relieved it wasn't a bad result like usual. The scum were very disappointed our lynch took out an innocent who wasn't a PR, disappointed their hit failed, and disappointed to learn their non-communicating teammate took himself out of the game not getting back in time to vote. All the scum team got out of that night was 1 regular townie. That's a horrible result for scum on Night 1.

The scum team must also have been surprised. They didn't get the hit they were counting on and lost a NC teammate unexpectedly to boot. Hi IQ's initial reaction was not a prepared statement made long after the event happened and they'd taken time to get better composed first before posting. That surprise and disappointment the scum team must have felt comes across quite well despite the happy pretense attempted in Hi IQ's post.

Here is the actual statement from Hi IQ, which hit the thread 7 minutes after Labby said "game on."

So we break even,good save by the doc. I have to say I'm glad Chill UD'd,he is a tuff cookie to figure out.

Anyone else see any true happiness in that post? Anyone see anything enthusiastic? Is there anything there at all that doesn't read bland or neutral from Hi IQ? It's an awful blah way for someone to say express how excited they are that N1 turned out so well.

With this in mind, Hi IQ's next post could be a tart bunch of sour grapes.

luck of the Irish must be on our side.

Yes, although that luck of the Irish favored the town. Someone in the scum den might even have said as much while nightfall was happening.... or at least thought it. Change the "their" to "our" real quick and it's an acceptable sentiment to post in the game thread from scum who's got nothing whatsoever to say, yet still feels a need to say something. All Hi IQ had to do was take out the grumbling sarcasm from that thought first and we'd get the message that Hi IQ counts themself on the "town side." Trying to blend in, I could see why scum might try to say something... anything... at that time to suggest they are a townie in our minds.

Now just for comparison sake........ here was O3T's initial reaction. Notice the enthusiasm? O3T managed quite well to hide their real emotions a whole lot better than Hi IQ did.

Sorry to see you go Red but that was a darn good night one! Nice save "doc"!

There's nothing suspicious about that reaction and we know O3T was evil. You might take that as an example, Hi IQ, how better to disguise your disappointment in the future.

Before you made this HUGE post explaining how we should take someone else words did you think bout what and the way you said things?

 

[Kashta]

OMG Lady G.... this post from you about voting Chill absolutely floored me!

Ok, not that it is a big deal but actually I think you are both wrong. Chill and I mess with each other quite often yes...but I don't think either of us vote the other very often on day one unless there truely is something behind it. I actually was worried others would question me about my vote simply because we really don't vote each other often in a "random" vote and Chill is a bad one to loose if innocent. The only reason I actually did it this time was because I did actually have a "feel" from his posting, yet I wasn't sure and didn't think he would really get voted off on day one so it was a way to let him know I had that feeling, but if I was wrong he wasn't really threatened.

Now, I do find it interesting that both Kash and Dawg are saying we often vote each other day one.

What a bizarre post!

1. Lady G denied she votes Chill sometimes for no reason at all on Day 1 unless there is truly something behind it. Here is where she asserts she had an actual "reason" to suspect Chill because she got that "feel" from his posts. LMAO... (see my previous post about that.) lol.

2. She also admits something else that, if it were true, it would be totally inadvisable (at best) from the standpoint of any innocent who seriously wonders if someone else is scum. That's the part where she says her lone vote on Chill was also her way to let him know she picked up a scum vibe from him.

Really? In what conceivable game circumstance would that be pro-town, Lady G, in any stretch of the imagination for you to seriously suspect Chill based on something real.. not actually be sure about it..... but place a meaningless vote on him for the deliberate purpose of signaling to him some kind of a hint or clue that would warn him he looked scummy?

As an innocent, what would you hope to gain by doing that? That maybe Chill would get the message and step up his game play so no one else on the town side would suspect he was evil?

Why would any innocent try to protect someone they suspected was evil when that would seriously hurt the town's chance of eliminating that specific scum player?

Did you actually just tell us you voted Chill... not randomly at all and because there was truly something behind it. Then in the very same post explain how that vote was a warning message for Chill's benefit knowing full well that would actually do more to protect him from the town than it would to help the town kill him?

You also stated you did not think he'd get voted off and you knew he wasn't really threatened... and we're supposed to believe it wasn't a random vote. You really just voted Chill based on the "feel" you got from his posts.

What a crock of nonsense! Lady G was clearly talking out her arse when she made this post.

And after all that Lady G thought it was helpful to implicate me and Dawg both for saying LG and Chill do vote each other on D1.

Hilarious!

 

[Lady G]

Since you have never responded to anything I have said to you......

As a follow up to my previous question..... really, Dawg?

You really never noticed how often Lady G votes Chill on Day 1 and vice versa? Or the times Pappy votes DD or DD votes Pappy the same way? That surprises me mainly because they often tell us that's their only reason for those votes when they place initial D1 "random" or "joke" votes like that in those games.

So tell me........ Have you ever noticed it's a similar thing between Wizard voting Lab Rat or Lab Rat voting Wizard? Those two also do the same thing for the same reason. And they tell us so too that that's the reason for their vote.

I guess not, huh? lol.

When do Chill and I vote each other day one often? I really can't recall us doing that, yep we have messed with each other on several occations but to actually vote nope.

Ok, not that it is a big deal but actually I think you are both wrong. Chill and I mess with each other quite often yes...but I don't think either of us vote the other very often on day one unless there truely is something behind it. I actually was worried others would question me about my vote simply because we really don't vote each other often in a "random" vote and Chill is a bad one to loose if innocent. The only reason I actually did it this time was because I did actually have a "feel" from his posting, yet I wasn't sure and didn't think he would really get voted off on day one so it was a way to let him know I had that feeling, but if I was wrong he wasn't really threatened.

Now, I do find it interesting that both Kash and Dawg are saying we often vote each other day one.


This question is to Dawg also...did either of you feel Chill would come on and break the tie?

For now I vote to lynch O3T I just can't over look them saying Chill was the only one who knew he was evil.

Can you answer questions yet?

 

[Kashta]

LG question to me and Dawg.

This question is to Dawg also...did either of you feel Chill would come on and break the tie?

I had no idea whether he would beak the tie or not. I was sure Chill was going to vote somewhere and not UD. He holds back his vote to the end like that a lot and I don't remember any game where he UDd before like this time because of it.

If Chill had voted, he would either have to break the tie or pick someone else. Whichever way he decided to go would in itself reveal nothing or very little at the time but it would still become part of our voting record. And that may become an important indication of his role at some later point in the game after we gained more clues and other information along the way and look back to review Night 1 votes in light of some knowledge we don't presently have.

Sometimes it's a little piece of information like that which speaks volumes later on.

 

[Lady G]

OMG Lady G.... this post from you about voting Chill absolutely floored me!

Ok, not that it is a big deal but actually I think you are both wrong. Chill and I mess with each other quite often yes...but I don't think either of us vote the other very often on day one unless there truely is something behind it. I actually was worried others would question me about my vote simply because we really don't vote each other often in a "random" vote and Chill is a bad one to loose if innocent. The only reason I actually did it this time was because I did actually have a "feel" from his posting, yet I wasn't sure and didn't think he would really get voted off on day one so it was a way to let him know I had that feeling, but if I was wrong he wasn't really threatened.

Now, I do find it interesting that both Kash and Dawg are saying we often vote each other day one.

What a bizarre post!

1. Lady G denied she votes Chill sometimes for no reason at all on Day 1 unless there is truly something behind it. Here is where she asserts she had an actual "reason" to suspect Chill because she got that "feel" from his posts. LMAO... (see my previous post about that.) lol.

2. She also admits something else that, if it were true, it would be totally inadvisable (at best) from the standpoint of any innocent who seriously wonders if someone else is scum. That's the part where she says her lone vote on Chill was also her way to let him know she picked up a scum vibe from him.

Really? In what conceivable game circumstance would that be pro-town, Lady G, in any stretch of the imagination for you to seriously suspect Chill based on something real.. not actually be sure about it..... but place a meaningless vote on him for the deliberate purpose of signaling to him some kind of a hint or clue that would warn him he looked scummy?

As an innocent, what would you hope to gain by doing that? That maybe Chill would get the message and step up his game play so no one else on the town side would suspect he was evil?

Why would any innocent try to protect someone they suspected was evil when that would seriously hurt the town's chance of eliminating that specific scum player?

Did you actually just tell us you voted Chill... not randomly at all and because there was truly something behind it. Then in the very same post explain how that vote was a warning message for Chill's benefit knowing full well that would actually do more to protect him from the town than it would to help the town kill him?

You also stated you did not think he'd get voted off and you knew he wasn't really threatened... and we're supposed to believe it wasn't a random vote. You really just voted Chill based on the "feel" you got from his posts.

What a crock of nonsense! Lady G was clearly talking out her arse when she made this post.

And after all that Lady G thought it was helpful to implicate me and Dawg both for saying LG and Chill do vote each other on D1.

Hilarious!

OMG KASH.......YES I DID SAY THAT!

 

[Lady G]

LG question to me and Dawg.

This question is to Dawg also...did either of you feel Chill would come on and break the tie?

I had no idea whether he would beak the tie or not. I was sure Chill was going to vote somewhere and not UD. He holds back his vote to the end like that a lot and I don't remember any game where he UDd before like this time because of it.

If Chill had voted, he would either have to break the tie or pick someone else. Whichever way he decided to go would in itself reveal nothing or very little at the time but it would still become part of our voting record. And that may become an important indication of his role at some later point in the game after we gained more clues and other information along the way and look back to review Night 1 votes in light of some knowledge we don't presently have.

Sometimes it's a little piece of information like that which speaks volumes later on.

And you couldn't have just answered that before...wow.

 

[Lady G]

that vote was a warning message for Chill's benefit knowing full well that would actually do more to protect him from the town than it would to help the town kill him?

Chills response could/would have sealed it for me on if I were correct about him, it wouldn't of "benefited" him in any way.

 

[Kashta]

Lady G, you're a real trip. lol. It's plainly evident that I started these posts (as I also told everyone in my first post) back at the final vote count for N1, through the nightfall results, and onto the most current posts that exist in the thread. These posts contain my take on everything that happened throughout all of Day 2 that I believe is relevant to deciding our next lynch.

You did not ask me anything at all during the early part of Day 2..... in fact, you didn't start questioning me at all until long after O3T was already dead meat for the scum team.

As for your specific questions to me, whatever they are..... I'm sure it's plain to see that I simply have not gotten to them yet. Are you really that impatient for me to answer them that you could not wait until I get these posts done before deciding whether to vote me or not? lol. Apparently so since that's what you did and you've been here in the thread the whole time. Nevertheless, please just stand by. I will get to your stuff in the order it was posted in this thread.

I do hope you realize this game isn't just about you. And my comments do not center just around you either. I am going to address everything anyone has asked me as I get to them -- one by one. After that, if I have overlooked anything anyone has has asked me, all they need to do is point that fact out and I will be happy to answer the missed question right away.