Your opinion on non-human primates (i.e. Bigfoot) in North America?

[felix453]

Who forgot about gigantopithicus crossing the land bridge?

 

[AquaticAustin]

maybe for 84k years, the conditions were never right for making fossils of these dudes. plus i don't believe in carbon dating because i don't understand it.

The basics of carbon dating are this: Elements decay at a constant rate, the half life of an element is the time it takes for a single atom of an element to decay to 50% of its original form. The decay of carbon is relatively fast so it is actually only used for things about 50,000 years old (or so im a little fuzzy) and it is only applicable to remains of organisms (that were made of carbon obviously lol). By looking at the decay of the carbon present it is possible to estimate the age of the thing in question. Now you might ask well how do you classify things older than that? (because most things are) well there are many atoms that we can use and some have half lifes of a billion years or more. To better understand how half lives are used it goes like this:
100%--->50% in one half life ------> 50(.5)= 25% at the second half life -----> 25%(.5)= 12.5% third half life etc so whatever % of the molecule is remaining they can calculate the halflife or what life it is between etc.

but I do agree that it is very possible there were stretches of time that conditions were not right to make fossils and there are many species that probably never made it into fossilized form as it is such a rare occurance.

 

[Fishfriend1]

Wait that's you right?

I think that these could be a reasonable explanation for Bigfoot being present in legends. Gigantopithecus species were found in Asia, and it is a pretty widely accepted theory that aboriginal Americans migrated to the Americas across the land patch where the Bering Strait now is, and down through all the way to South America. While it is a pretty big stretch, and I wouldn't (and wouldn't expect anyone to) believe it, I think that something that could explain it is that ancient humans passed down legends originally centered around Gigantopithecus and the legends continued across the Asians' migration patters. This would be supported by the fact that the majority of bigfoot legends among aboriginal peoples are in southeast Asia, east Asia, and west coast America.

Yes, thats me Someone else has probably said that quote as well, but I said it too so it's my quote

As for the second theory, and jp's reply to it, I think we should give our ancestors more credit... it's possible that the original legend came from Gigantopithecus and that it was continued via folklore and stories of past heroes (The story of Ugg, the best Bigfoot Hunter!), or perhaps people who had various similarities to bigfoot (say, larger, or very hairy) became the basis for bigfoot legends (it's entirely possible!). Then you could very well have the thought that it's just something that humans made up (like dragons, sea-monsters, and various other myths) in which case who knows where it could have come from. Maybe even a warped version of the Giant Ground Sloth (which lived in North America at some point).

It could also be aliens

 

[Fishfriend1]

Also, about fossils... ever notice that there are tons of dino-fossils from before they went extinct, but none from the actual date of extinction? Whats up with that?

 

[Vicious_Fish]

Also, about fossils... ever notice that there are tons of dino-fossils from before they went extinct, but none from the actual date of extinction? Whats up with that?

That's a WHOLE other kettle of fish. Most believe that the fossils below the KT Boundary (the iridium layer at the end of the Cretaceous period) were either destroyed by the fire storms around earth and or dissolved by the acid rain that followed.

You also have to keep in mind that not all species that have ever lived on earth were made into fossils. It's a tricky process that has to have a particular series of events coincide to make possible.

 

[livebearerfreak]

let's just say.. earth isn't humans home planet...

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[excuzzzeme]

That doesn't answer the original question of "Do you believe that a non-human primate exists?" Whether you accept the given science (that homosapiens are primates) or disagree is not the question either. Furthermore, we are not discussing the origin of mankind.

Simply put: Do you believe that Bigfoot exists or once existed?

 

[livebearerfreak]

can't answer that as I have no idea....

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[Fishfriend1]

That explains the fossil thing, thanks VFish.

 

[Glabe]

The basics of carbon dating are this: Elements decay at a constant rate, the half life of an element is the time it takes for a single atom of an element to decay to 50% of its original form. The decay of carbon is relatively fast so it is actually only used for things about 50,000 years old (or so im a little fuzzy) and it is only applicable to remains of organisms (that were made of carbon obviously lol). By looking at the decay of the carbon present it is possible to estimate the age of the thing in question. Now you might ask well how do you classify things older than that? (because most things are) well there are many atoms that we can use and some have half lifes of a billion years or more. To better understand how half lives are used it goes like this:
100%--->50% in one half life ------> 50(.5)= 25% at the second half life -----> 25%(.5)= 12.5% third half life etc so whatever % of the molecule is remaining they can calculate the halflife or what life it is between etc.

but I do agree that it is very possible there were stretches of time that conditions were not right to make fossils and there are many species that probably never made it into fossilized form as it is such a rare occurance.

well, the speed of light can change. the speed of time can change. the speed at which molecules decay can change. it's nice to know there's one constant in this world... the speed at which atoms decay!