Mafia 106: Pokemafia

[dirtydawg10]

My biggest problem with the way things went down last night was that people seemed to jump on and use it as an easy vote. Seems like something scum would do to possibly keep the heat off Coler? I was debating about tying the vote by changing to Coler but that wouldn't have solved much. The coin toss often goes to the Town in those cases anyway because it's the first night. Or they could both be innocent. I think the votes on AAF need to be looked at closer but it may take another night of votes to come up with anything. With four being on AAF there almost has to be scum voting there.

 

[dirtydawg10]

And added to that...

I vote to lynch AAF, because I saw some really awesome betta at the pet store today but couldn't buy them because I'm broke. So now I'm jealous of your betta!

Joke vote from FF.

I vote to lynch Zaffy

His avatar is giving me a headache.

Joke vote from me.

I vote to lynch Coler, since has not played recently.

Joke vote from Rich.

OK this is end of D1 for me as I have a big day tomorrow so am hitting the sack (its 11:30pm here and Coler needs his beauty sleep).

I vote to lynch allaboutfish reason being they somebody worth looking at anyway, and even if they wern't Post 61 seals the deal.

Good night all.

Coler comes in with the first serious vote of the day.

I vote to lynch Fishfriend1 for joke voting and not answering questions.

I assume this is a serious vote.

A few people in past games have resorted to this nonsense. I agree that it's stupid.

I vote to lynch AAF My intent is to select this idiocy out of ACVille mafia games.

Zaffy jumps on to AAF.

Sorry about my bad formatting in the previous post.

I vote to lynch Coler

Neph votes for Coler for previously stated reasons.

I vote to lynch coler bc he posted after me
Also for making a big deal of how I randomized voting. Is it really any different than voting bc someones avatar givrs them a headache?

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Joke/"random" vote from AAF now a known innocent.

Are we really going to have to have a discussion on how your vote is NOT random, AAF? I swear this comes up every game...

I vote to lynch AAF for making the dumbest of the joke/random/crap votes today.

I'm not sure why people are jumping on FF all of a sudden. While it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't realize he could only retract once, he also hasn't exactly been around to answer the question...so I find it odd that he could be supposedly be dodging a question he hasn't had a chance to answer in the first place. I don't like joke votes, but again, it doesn't surprise me that FF would try to get things going by doing so...

Not exactly a huge fan of anyone giving me compliments in a game, especially when the person turns around and doesn't exactly back up what I was questioning but apparently just wanted to give the compliment. It was merely a "poke" at AAF with the suspicion that he knew ahead of time that FF was going to vote him and to see if he slipped up. I'm watching the Neph vs. Coler back and forth closely.

JPap jumps onto AAF as well.

So that's how the votes went down. Of the votes on AAF, Zaffy's bothers me the most but we already know Zaffy's role so that shows how much I know. I'm thinking JPap or Coler will get my vote tonight but let's see how this day plays out.

 

[Nepherael]

In my last post I was talking about being responsible for lynching an innocent but I hadn't flipped it. I was wondering about Coler anyway from the start when he asked for clarification on a rule and then when I ask another he acts like there's no room for it, then can't see what I picked up on with paps comment.

I was already kinda leaning his way for my next vote. If I'm not mistaken pap was the tie breaker between AAF and Coler right?

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[rich311k]

Glad to see we are back at it. I did not see much last night with the voting but it is has become more interesting with some time to look at it and bumping off AAF like that would be an easy way for the scum to get a townie with out getting themselves out there. AAF has improved but he also can be almost self lynchable at times.

 

[Fishfriend1]

Coler is known for wisdom beyond his years.

You sure it isn't years beyond his wisdom? (j/k)

FF, did you read the rules before you voted?

Yes. Yes I did. I got 1 retraction right? That means that, on the assumption I had been able to get back on, I could have voted someone else. Sadly, I did not get back on.

Reading game now.

 

[Nepherael]

bumping off AAF like that would be an easy way for the scum to get a townie with out getting themselves out there. AAF has improved but he also can be almost self lynchable at times.

Yeah I don't think he did much. He's done that before, I believe with a smaller reaction but I could be wrong. I'd have to go look at the timing for all the votes to double check what I'm about to say but here's a crazy idea. Coler calls the idea stupid and votes aaf, zaf agrees and votes aaf and the scum sees an opportunity. Make the hit zaffy and finish off aaf while saving Coler. With the hit being someone voting aaf it can still make it seem like there wasn't much there beyond people not liking the way he voted while being able to knock 2 good guys out of the race.

Even if Coler didn't get saved I'd wonder because, statistically, I don't see the voters lining up with all innocents voting an innocent (aaf) and all scum voting an innocent (coler). There seems to be more to it whether that crazy idea up top is valid or not


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[dirtydawg10]

If I'm not mistaken pap was the tie breaker between AAF and Coler right?

That is correct.

 

[Coler]

Hi All - crappy nightfall.

I suppose the first thing I will do is address my vote for AAF.

Coler comes in with the first serious vote of the day.

Point taken but I would like to point out that a joke vote counts the same as a 'serious vote' and I indicated clearly that I wasn't going to be around for the close of business - which I wasn't. I have no problem with making a D1 vote based on what I see as stupid play because stupid play hurts the town and in the absence of anything more concrete its something I would weigh up in making my voting decision.

Further, 'I'm going to vote for the next person to post'. Seriously ? On a slow day anyway, you're going to say something that if anything would dissuade posting ? Posting is the lifeblood of the town. When we post and interact we find things out. Especially given the passage of time when you go back on D2, D3, D4 etc. and re-read. Especially when we nail a scumbag and can go back and re-read their posts, because once revealed you can read everything they say with the correct agenda. Unless of course they got away with saying nothing at all or only made BS posts. Silence is almost always a scum tell. So I'm against anything that discourages posting, and I called it like I saw it.

I still regret very much, of course, that AAF turned up innocent but in terms of my own play I'm happy for anyone to read back and make a decision on whether I am trying to play for the town or not.

I'd also point out that I gave him/her the chance to come back and say whether it was a serious post before I voted. If anyone wanted to post in and tell me that this practice of declaring your vote on D1 by reference to 'the person who posts after me' was normal/acceptable I suppose I would also have listened somewhat.

A few people in past games have resorted to this nonsense. I agree that it's stupid.

I vote to lynch AAF My intent is to select this idiocy out of ACVille mafia games.

This post from Zaffy came after I'd left the thread though.

Finally for now I just want to go back to the first reaction to my post saying that this way of voting was stupid :-

Stupidest idea I've heard in a long while. Are you serious ?

That was posted at 7:17pm game time.

Agreed!

That was posted at 7:27pm game time, with dawg having 10 minutes to consider his response.

Can anyone who's played with dawg say whether he's played in one of these recent games where people select their D1 votes like this. Dawg you may wish to answer the question yourself. If you have then I am a little curious as to whether you considered pointing out that it had become something of a practice and not necessarily regarded as stupid, or indeed scummy. If you havn't then I just note that you and I shared exactly the same reaction to AAF's post.

OK I'm at work just now but I hope I will be able to come back to the thread in 3 or 4 hours. If not it will be tomorrow morning (my time) for me before I do so - for reference its 7:25pm here and I'm about to leave the office and go home for dinner.

 

[jpappy789]

Can anyone elaborate on why the joke and "random" votes are so bothersome d1? I do get what you're saying pap about voting for the next poster and that it absolves someone of blame but I doubt anyone who has does that really plans that far ahead (maybe that's me underestimating though). My thoughts (and I've vocalized something like this in a previous game) is that the odds are simply against us the first lynch (which is evident to everyone). There's nothing to go on except picking apart very shaky things like a compliment, not understanding a rule, or a light hearted comment and it's almost never scum that gets lynched d1 so I want to be as far away from responsible as I can be from the lynch no matter what team I'm playing on for multiple reasons not least of which is lynching someone that would've helped me weed the scum out.

I just don't get what the difference is between voting for someone because of their avatar or voting for someone because of their vote or the way they went about it (strictly relating to D1).

Oh and this isn't to call anyone out. I just want a clearer understanding of the hostility against it.

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It takes virtually no attention to the actual game to make a joke vote. It's an easy way to vote, plain and simple, which definitely bothers me. Should we not try to get scum the first day? I highly doubt that would happen if everyone resorted to joke votes, and then it also hampers D2 when the votes aren't tied to game related material. Just because it's "typical" doesn't mean it's the correct way to go about the game. I understand that there isn't much to dig through on D1, but don't you think that joke voting also enables that sort of problem?

My biggest problem with the way things went down last night was that people seemed to jump on and use it as an easy vote. Seems like something scum would do to possibly keep the heat off Coler? I was debating about tying the vote by changing to Coler but that wouldn't have solved much. The coin toss often goes to the Town in those cases anyway because it's the first night. Or they could both be innocent. I think the votes on AAF need to be looked at closer but it may take another night of votes to come up with anything. With four being on AAF there almost has to be scum voting there.

Dawg, I cannot understand how AAF was any easier of a vote than the others placed yesterday. You can look into it all you want, and I certainly regret voting for an innocent, but the fact of the matter is that AAF wasn't forced or bullied into making a mistake like he has in the past. He said something dumb and got called out for it.

I'm still interested in hearing from Coler regarding his comments on Neph that do need clarification IMO. He's still very much on my radar.

Lastly, what do you mean by the line in bold? The coin toss can't go any one way based on anything other than chance, which we can only control by placing the right people on the voting block. Obviously, if Coler is innocent that wouldn't have mattered, and yes, we'd be stuck not knowing AAF's role then. I just don't understand your wording.

 

[Coler]

e the voters lining up with all innocents voting an innocent (aaf) and all scum voting an innocent (coler). There seems to be more to it whether that crazy idea up top is valid or not


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Just a quicky - I would definitely agree that the chance that everyone who voted for AAF is a townie is tiny. Same goes for the people who voted for me.

On D1 it is however also worth looking at people who parked their vote in inconsequential places because that's something scum do (for ease of reference in this instance Dawg voted Zaffy and Metricliman Fishfriend)