Mafia 106: Pokemafia

[dirtydawg10]

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It takes virtually no attention to the actual game to make a joke vote. It's an easy way to vote, plain and simple, which definitely bothers me. Should we not try to get scum the first day? I highly doubt that would happen if everyone resorted to joke votes, and then it also hampers D2 when the votes aren't tied to game related material. Just because it's "typical" doesn't mean it's the correct way to go about the game. I understand that there isn't much to dig through on D1, but don't you think that joke voting also enables that sort of problem?



Dawg, I cannot understand how AAF was any easier of a vote than the others placed yesterday. You can look into it all you want, and I certainly regret voting for an innocent, but the fact of the matter is that AAF wasn't forced or bullied into making a mistake like he has in the past. He said something dumb and got called out for it.

I'm still interested in hearing from Coler regarding his comments on Neph that do need clarification IMO. He's still very much on my radar.

Lastly, what do you mean by the line in bold? The coin toss can't go any one way based on anything other than chance, which we can only control by placing the right people on the voting block. Obviously, if Coler is innocent that wouldn't have mattered, and yes, we'd be stuck not knowing AAF's role then. I just don't understand your wording.

AAF has become an easy vote on D1 for many games. It always seems to be possible to write it off as AAF "taking themself out". No I don't think Zaffy was an easy vote. Yes it was a joke vote, but typically easy D1 votes fall to the less strategic players.

The line in bold means (and I haven't done the math) I would guess that 9 times out of 10 when an innocent goes up against a scum in a tie on D1 the innocent gets lynched. Whether this is because the Town has bad luck or there is some tampering by the mods I am not 100% sure. That is just how I typically see it go down.

 

[dirtydawg10]

Dawg and Zaffy, during this entire thing, completely refrain from looking at it. This comes to me as odd, since it was about the only game-related subject at the time. Zaffy is the dead doc, so probably trying to lay low, but Dawg is an unknown.

Not true...I agreed with Coler that it was stupid.

I can't comment on your pokemon theories because I don't have a clue what pokemon is about.

 

[jpappy789]

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AAF has become an easy vote on D1 for many games. It always seems to be possible to write it off as AAF "taking themself out". No I don't think Zaffy was an easy vote. Yes it was a joke vote, but typically easy D1 votes fall to the less strategic players.

The line in bold means (and I haven't done the math) I would guess that 9 times out of 10 when an innocent goes up against a scum in a tie on D1 the innocent gets lynched. Whether this is because the Town has bad luck or there is some tampering by the mods I am not 100% sure. That is just how I typically see it go down.

You can't have it both ways. Either AAF is responsible for what he posts, or he shouldn't be lynched for what he says (which is a horrible precedent to set). The "easy vote" theory has become a nice way to throw dirt at those who had a relatively legitimate reason, at the time, to vote for an innocent. It's rather ironic that the "easy vote" is often times more scrutinized than the easier votes (aka joke votes). At the very least, the three who voted AAF for his flub took a chance rather than sitting back on a single vote for no apparent reason.

Also, there's no math involved as each coin flip is independent of what has happened in previous games. I don't think you can even begin to assume that it would be anything other than a 50/50.

 

[rich311k]

And here is the kicker:

"Delibird hands you a Pokeball. You let its inhabitant out and a Victreebel pops out. You try to ask Delibird more, but it's frivolous because the only words it can say are "deli" and "bird". Delibird flies away, but crashes into a window. It then hops around in a circle for a few minutes before flying sideways into the nearest tree. You decide to leave it alone." - Pir with neither deny nor confirm this, as per the pm.

Pir sent this to me at nightfall, and it makes me wonder... Victreebel is a plant-type pokemon, one that looks like a pitcher plant. It was more famously owned by James, of team rocket. That means to me that this hint is telling me who James is. The fact that the delibird was flying and moving so erraticly makes me think it was drunk. That in turn makes me think that James was discussing alcohal in the thread. That means Dawg, Zaffy (dead), Coler, Rich, or Metri (all the people who mentioned alcohol). Most likely Coler or Dawg, as Colers first post was saying he was a bit drunk and Dawg and Zaffy both chatted about beer. Zaffy is dead and the doc, so that leaves Dawg and Coler. Besides this, Dawg posted primarily about alcohol up until after night 1 was over.

Anyone else have their own interpritation?

FF

I just want to be clear, you received this message for Pir after last nightfall.

 

[rich311k]

You can't have it both ways. Either AAF is responsible for what he posts, or he shouldn't be lynched for what he says (which is a horrible precedent to set). The "easy vote" theory has become a nice way to throw dirt at those who had a relatively legitimate reason, at the time, to vote for an innocent. It's rather ironic that the "easy vote" is often times more scrutinized than the easier votes (aka joke votes). At the very least, the three who voted AAF for his flub took a chance rather than sitting back on a single vote for no apparent reason.

Also, there's no math involved as each coin flip is independent of what has happened in previous games. I don't think you can even begin to assume that it would be anything other than a 50/50.

I see that certain players are an easy target to get going. if you are scum and they are not it becomes an easy first day lynch off. Not that what they say and do should be discounted many times they almost beg to get lynched. That does not change the fact that it is an easy opening gambit for scum.

 

[metricliman]

[FONT=Lucida Grande, verdana, sans-serif]Hey guys, has anyone else noticed that Dawg was both voting for Zaffy and that Zaffy said Dawg was a suspect and the Zaffy got killed?[/FONT]

 

[Nepherael]

Neph, do you think I'm scum? I noticed that in your "theory" post you mentioned Coler and Zaffy voting AAF and then threw out the idea that it was a plan by the scum. Obviously Zaffy is innocent, so that leaves Coler.

Again, here you say that AAF was targeted by the scum and was "finish[ed] off." If it was so deliberate of a plan, would Coler be the mastermind by bringing the vote to a tie, especially when there was still a 50% chance of him being the one killed? On the flip side, you might as well say Coler's vote was to save himself which can be a perfectly acceptable move if he is innocent (it opens a whole new can of worms though, but it's beside the point).

My point is, I can't see how you could ever give this theory merit unless you considered myself as scum who then put the nail in AAF's coffin. However, in the two posts thus far where you mentioned AAF being specifically targeted by the scum, you never mentioned my name. Why are you reluctant to explicitly involve me in this supposed plan?

Part of me is worried about why you are throwing Coler's name alone out there. At least Dawg has considered voting me as well, as off base as he may be. Given Coler's thoughts on you (which I still find unclear) and your back and forth, part of me is wondering if there is something between you and Coler that is going unseen.

There's no way I'm trying to disinvolve you from it so yes, if I was to give that theory merit, I would have to consider the possibility thag you're scum. I do.

I think that theory is pretty close and I'm not putting all my eggs in that basket but the two people I'm looking at the closest right now are you and coler.

There are definitely other options and I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm sure of anything currently but I am sure that if there aren't any new developments you or Coler will be where I put my vote.

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[dirtydawg10]

You can't have it both ways. Either AAF is responsible for what he posts, or he shouldn't be lynched for what he says (which is a horrible precedent to set). The "easy vote" theory has become a nice way to throw dirt at those who had a relatively legitimate reason, at the time, to vote for an innocent. It's rather ironic that the "easy vote" is often times more scrutinized than the easier votes (aka joke votes). At the very least, the three who voted AAF for his flub took a chance rather than sitting back on a single vote for no apparent reason.

Also, there's no math involved as each coin flip is independent of what has happened in previous games. I don't think you can even begin to assume that it would be anything other than a 50/50.

So you think my vote was an easy one? I voted an innocent and a PR. To tell you the truth I think it was a bad idea for the scum to hit Zaffy when I was the only one on him. Do you think if I was scum trying to hide on an easy lone vote I would hit the lone vote? There is a 0% chance of that ever happening.

 

[jpappy789]

I see that certain players are an easy target to get going. if you are scum and they are not it becomes an easy first day lynch off. Not that what they say and do should be discounted many times they almost beg to get lynched. That does not change the fact that it is an easy opening gambit for scum.

I don't disagree. However the problem is the conditional "if you are scum and they are not" isn't known and we've been burned in the past by newer players and those that still play like one being ignored and turning up as scum. Picking and choosing what a person like AAF says as either scummy or not simply because they may be, as Dawg said, "taking themself out," is way too much of a grey area for me.

 

[jpappy789]

So you think my vote was an easy one? I voted an innocent and a PR. To tell you the truth I think it was a bad idea for the scum to hit Zaffy when I was the only one on him. Do you think if I was scum trying to hide on an easy lone vote I would hit the lone vote? There is a 0% chance of that ever happening.

I believe that is what I implied. Are you really going to tell me you put much thought into voting for Zaffy? There's your defense right there.

Him being a PR is practically irrelevant to the ease of your vote. If you're innocent or even scum, any forethought of voting for a PR would have been nearly impossible. What your vote looks like right now has no bearing on why you made the "decision" on D1 to place that vote. The scum killed Zaffy, your vote didn't matter on the surface. Unless you think the WIFOM "I wouldn't hit the person I voted for" excuse really needs to be discussed? Because that's a waste of time.