Mafia 2014 #1-- FF1 Simple--The Play

[jpappy789]

What jokes are you referring to Kash?

good point, Bally....

I'm not quite sure what you are smoking Kash, I didn't see any jokes, but to each their own.

Bally, I'm not sure what you're getting at since I clearly see some joking around early in the thread. Maybe you would care to share your interpretation of the first 12 or so posts before Kash's?

I don't particularly like the little nudge of support by DD there. Don't mean to imply a coordinated effort, I just find it to be a very convenient type of post without having to say much...

This kind of bothers me.
Night fall is at 7PM eastern. Which would be 4PM pacific. I don't know what it is anywhere else in the country and don't know where FF lives. But to vote so early "to avoid UD and by choice" since it is day 1 smells scummy.

Day 1 being a crap shoot is, in my opinion, a cop out and a cheap way to cover up a vote. Yes, we have a history of lynching innocents on D1, but, if I remember correctly we have managed to nail scum as well. Although not very often.

I would be more comfortable with a vote cast early in the morning the day of night fall to avoid UD than I am with one cast early morning the first day of the game. Even before there has been a chance of game related posting to occur.

One more thing that bothers me about this vote is that his "crap shoot" vote fell to some one who in the past has demonstrated competent ability to root out scum. Something the town can ill afford if he is innocent.

I agree, to an extent. Joke-votes are certainly an easy way for scum to hide...my problem with that is that being the first to vote entirely is not a very good thing to do if hiding is your intention. To me, there are too many scenarios that could "make sense" whether FF is innocent or guilty (very little of FF's game play makes sense from the standpoint from anyone but FF). WIFOM situations galore.

What I don't really agree with at all is your last statement. I don't see how that has any bearing whatsoever on FF's motives unless you are already making some pretty hefty assumptions.

 

[Fishfriend1]

You miss 1 piece of code when you go to copy a quote and the entire post gets ruined haha. Well, assuming I get back tomorrow and manage to read everything I'll reply to any questions then. If not, well, here's to hoping I don't get lynched! -raises a glass of cola-

 

[jpappy789]

Not gonna quote the whole thing, but I fully agree with Wizard.

Only reason for a safety vote a day in advance is if you don't expect to get back in time... Or I guess if you intend on laying low.

Not going to vote based on this right now because FF is well advised to minimize posting either way. But I will say it wasn't a good answer to the question.


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7pm Eastern would be my timezone, but I'll be at work then so I definitely couldn't get away with a last minute vote.



Fair enough. I doubt that we'll have a scum vote day one, but we can hope



Long post short, I am a busy person with a load of classwork to do, combined with working today in grocery which I expected to be a lot more tired from. I'm busy tomorrow too with lunch with my dad, a take home test for MicroEcon, and editing an English paper into a final draft, + working in the evening. I don't think I'd be able to make a very good vote for day one regardless of what is posted over the course of the day, and I honestly don't have time to worry about my day 1 vote. Day 2 I'll have more time since I'm not crunching my schoolwork.



I honestly doubt that Zaffy will be voted off - besides the fact that he IS a good player, there is also my reason for it: because he questioned my status as #1. If THAT gets him lynched... well then I'd be impressed at the people who took it and ran with it.

Except if, as you stated, you weren't going to be around to vote later (and thus you voted for Zaffy when you did) you would have ZERO knowledge of any transgressions following your vote that may have hypothetically lead to Zaffy getting lynched. You could just as easily returned to see Zaffy lynched for reasons completely unrelated to your vote or any interaction the two of you had...it's a very weird thing to assume.

 

[jpappy789]

Sorry, I hit the post button too soon.

Not gonna quote the whole thing, but I fully agree with Wizard.

Only reason for a safety vote a day in advance is if you don't expect to get back in time... Or I guess if you intend on laying low.

Not going to vote based on this right now because FF is well advised to minimize posting either way. But I will say it wasn't a good answer to the question.


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I simply meant to ask what you meant by this, Kash...

 

[Fishfriend1]

Except if, as you stated, you weren't going to be around to vote later (and thus you voted for Zaffy when you did) you would have ZERO knowledge of any transgressions following your vote that may have hypothetically lead to Zaffy getting lynched. You could just as easily returned to see Zaffy lynched for reasons completely unrelated to your vote or any interaction the two of you had...it's a very weird thing to assume.

Well, fair enough on that, but how would my vote have any relation to "completely unrelated" reasons? In that case it would not show me to be guilty or innocent, since my reason was not the cause of his lynch.

Ok, NOW, I go to bed haha.

 

[jpappy789]

Well, fair enough on that, but how would my vote have any relation to "completely unrelated" reasons? In that case it would not show me to be guilty or innocent, since my reason was not the cause of his lynch.

Ok, NOW, I go to bed haha.

My point is that you essentially responded to Wiz by saying you placed a safe vote because you assumed Zaffy wouldn't be lynched. I don't understand that thought process.

 

[Fishfriend1]

My point is that you essentially responded to Wiz by saying you placed a safe vote because you assumed Zaffy wouldn't be lynched. I don't understand that thought process.

Normal people sleep. I, on the other hand, can't stop refreshing this thread haha. I think that Zaffy won't be lynched mainly because he IS a good player, good enough not to get lynched unless something really goes wrong. Even if he WAS lynched, my vote wouldn't be the cause because no sane person would get behind "FF is #1" as their reason.

Why are you making such a big deal over this? It was literally a vote to make sure I had one, on an individual I felt wouldn't get lynched, and for a completely BS reason. What about it makes you so very agitated?

 

[the wizard]

Bally, I'm not sure what you're getting at since I clearly see some joking around early in the thread. Maybe you would care to share your interpretation of the first 12 or so posts before Kash's?

I don't particularly like the little nudge of support by DD there. Don't mean to imply a coordinated effort, I just find it to be a very convenient type of post without having to say much...



I agree, to an extent. Joke-votes are certainly an easy way for scum to hide...my problem with that is that being the first to vote entirely is not a very good thing to do if hiding is your intention. To me, there are too many scenarios that could "make sense" whether FF is innocent or guilty (very little of FF's game play makes sense from the standpoint from anyone but FF). WIFOM situations galore.

What I don't really agree with at all is your last statement. I don't see how that has any bearing whatsoever on FF's motives unless you are already making some pretty hefty assumptions.

Except if, as you stated, you weren't going to be around to vote later (and thus you voted for Zaffy when you did) you would have ZERO knowledge of any transgressions following your vote that may have hypothetically lead to Zaffy getting lynched. You could just as easily returned to see Zaffy lynched for reasons completely unrelated to your vote or any interaction the two of you had...it's a very weird thing to assume.

Your response to my post about FF's vote, followed by your reply to FF. Do you not think that whoever gets lynched D1 could be lynched by a 1 vote margin?

I was merely pointing out that FF's post bothered me. Perhaps I should have elaborated more at the end of my post but I didn't feel it necessary.

I did, however, see some game related posting arise out of my post which was the main goal of it.

 

[jpappy789]

Normal people sleep. I, on the other hand, can't stop refreshing this thread haha. I think that Zaffy won't be lynched mainly because he IS a good player, good enough not to get lynched unless something really goes wrong. Even if he WAS lynched, my vote wouldn't be the cause because no sane person would get behind "FF is #1" as their reason.

Why are you making such a big deal over this? It was literally a vote to make sure I had one, on an individual I felt wouldn't get lynched, and for a completely BS reason. What about it makes you so very agitated?

I'm not sure where you see me getting agitated...if anything I tried to approach your vote a bit more even-headed (see my response to Wiz) and didn't want to make any snap judgments because I think it is entirely possible that you thought you needed to vote when you did. However, it quickly began to migrate towards over-explanation, as if you feel you needed to come up with additional, nonsensical reasons for you vote other than it was simply to avoid UD.

All I'm saying is that you responded to Wiz as if you assumed that Zaffy wouldn't/wont get lynched...which is a totally invalid assumption. Sorry, but someone has to get lynched D1 and chances are it's going to be someone who is experienced at the game.

 

[Kashta]

Sorry, I hit the post button too soon.


I simply meant to ask what you meant by this, Kash...

Sure, I meant he's well advised to minimize posting to keep from turning another game into the FF show. That would apply in his case regardless which side he's on.


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