What other, less risky options are there? What assumptions do I keep making? Why do both you and wiz keep mentioning my assumptions in a game based on 'assuming' that everyone is your enemy and 'assuming' that people you vote for are scum based on what you've come to know?
As for you being Don or not, if you ARE than you could have either a) wanted Kashta out of the way regardless (for example, if wiz is scum as well and you were worried she would be able to tell [just a thought btw]), or b) thought she was a Good PR. Not being the Don would mean that, possibly, User is the Don, since he had to leave prior to nightfall. Also, are you using the "I did this therefore I cannot be the villain because it's way to conspicuous" argument to defend yourself?
As for who the Don is? Well, I honestly don't know. If it's you than you would have had reason for hitting Kashta, even if not there must have been a reason. The missing Don is probably the main weakness in my logic here
In regards to timing, it wasn't until recently that I came to that conclusion, and I didn't feel like posting any more half-baked thoughts and getting yelled at for it so I didn't post until I was fairly certain what my theory was. In all honestly, my gut feeling could be based off of something else, but it more or less clicks with what I said here so I doubt it.
Now, what do you have against the fishing I apparently did? Certainly it's better to fish and see who bites than to not do anything at all right?
I'll be back some time tomorrow, I've got to sleep now.
I'm not getting into an argument over semantics regarding assumptions and the mafia game. The very large difference, though, is that you are making a lot of assumptions based on things that would be happening behind the scenes in the scum den ie. the whole decision behind the hit. Nothing in the thread indicates why that decision was made other than Rb's post showing that Kash was the hit.
You're ignoring the fact that the scum could very easily gotten 3 innocents last night. I acknowledged that fact around nightfall and you're sorely mistaken if you think I wouldn't play to that advantage if I had the chance. Allow DD to UD on her own, try to make sure another innocent is in the lead, and not put the hit on someone who was very close to being lynched. We know that at least Kashta was close to being lynched, but that wouldn't have worked if the hit was on her as well. Thus, the only way that would have back-fired was if the vote was locked in on Kash and the hypothetical scum-me had no control over it as the votes became closer.
If I were Don, this makes even less sense. I could have easily piggy-backed onto Kash (tieing her with DD at 3-3), placed the vote on someone else, and let the coin flip decide how many innocents were gone N1. At best 3 innocents gone...likely at least 2 unless the doc made a miraculous save. To think that I would be
that fixated on hitting Kash N1, without any regard to the advantage the scum could have gained, is absolutely foolish.
My intention isn't to necessarily say I would have done X, Y, and Z if I were mafia...my intention is to show you the possible holes in your theory and see your responses. The fact that you keep rolling out these ideas that essentially assume I'm mafia, without
any dissenting thoughts, tells me you have an agenda against me. I'm curious as to what you are waiting for regarding your vote as well...validation?
And lastly, I have issues with your fishing because you basically said you were hesitant to vote me (and Wiz) D1 and then D2 you come back with this "gut feeling" without any substance to back it up. When no one bit, you came up with this underwhelming theory about how I tried to make sure Kash was the hit. I'm always concerned when people just float names out there...and even more concerned when their only evidence isn't very convincing.
Hey all been keeping up with the thread but had a hard time getting time to actually post. Sucks to see Kashta go, not sure what to make of her being hit while up on the block. Something is definitely rotten in the scum den(mark) if the hit came there. Part of me wants to say a hit could've been the result of her shaking the bushes a little D1, but then again it could just as easily be setting up those who voted for her (2h and Bally I believe).
I never said that he was doing a particularily good job of doing it, but he was making an attempt. Whereas with DD there was absolutely nothing there, and I feel like with a smaller game and nothing else to really go off of (aside from FF's erratic play and Bally and Kash's disagreement on what a joke is), it made sense to vote her. At the time there was only one vote on DD, I don't see how that would be voting the scums way when there were only a couple votes on the board at that point with no clear leader. Me adding a 2nd vote to DD is no different then you adding what you "thought" would be the second vote on her as well.
Which makes your whole "the scum must like how things are going" line more cliched and unsettling. Since there were (I believe) only two total votes at the time, and no way of knowing who would be voted out, why would the scum be any less concerned?
I don't think FF was as concerning with who he voted as much as he was concerned with getting the game going. I think FF is uncomfortable when a game starts, and he manifests his anxiety by posted whole bunch. As far as Wiz suggesting that I shouldn't be lynched without good reason; I'm flattered first of all, and to an extent I agree. But it can be a double edged sword. I don't think it applies when FF is the one throwing a vote around. In this context it serves to make FF look bad.
So where do you stand then on Wiz and FF? Maybe you could also comment on FF's theory since that's a fairly large discussion point at the moment.
Also, with the potential to have 3 innocents killed last night when DD failed to appear, I have a growing suspicion of the votes on me. Both Wiz and Zaffy come out looking scummy here in my opinion, as Wiz changes his vote from the likely UD DD to me. Zaffy then follows suit with a really weak post that Wiz made him "think". I know you later addressed this, but the lack of reasoning given before nightfall leads me to suspect that one (or both) could be scum trying to set up for the triple kill on the first night.
Yes, you could argue that their argument was flimsy but so was everybody else's votes D1. However, notice their choice in target. Me and FF are clearly the weakest players in the game (no offense), and I have a history of UDing and causing issues. With such weak cases for voting, it makes sense for the scum team to try for the trifecta by setting up an easy target and trying to get last minute votes on them. Given FF's absudity on D1, I could see why scum would lay off of him so he could continue throwing the town off and potentially creating drama D2.
That is probobly meant to be read in full tin foil atire, but considering the way nightfall turned out it makes sense. The only thing that bugs me still is why hit Kash when she was up for the vote. If she was on the voting block D1, then why let not let her slide and try to lynch her D2?
UN, this post just seems like a whole lot of OMGUS...if both Zaffy and Wiz are scum, why not both hop on Kash? That would pretty much ensure an innocent would be lynched (I was the only vote other than DD's left). Both were also clearly around to make sure the hit was on someone else, and with DD UDing they may have gotten their three.
I'm not saying that either of them are innocent, I have reservations about both, but this theory makes even less sense than FF's. There's no logic in trying to start a completely different train without any already established votes
that late in the day.
