ammonia converting bacteria

[don_juan]

What site...you have shown no proof that your product works other than hearsay. If you can prove that it works then you could be published in a scientific journal because there is no scientific evidence that proves nitrobacter is an effective nitrifier in a freshwater aquarium.

You don't need scientific write-ups. It's been know for a long time. It's the bio-spiras of the world that come out and cause confusion and tell you red is really blue.

I can tell you nitrobacter is the best bacteria for nitrite without having a PHD. I can also tell you it's cold in Siberia without going there.

 

[H3D]

You don't need scientific write-ups. It's been know for a long time. It's the bio-spiras of the world that come out and cause confusion and tell you red is really blue.

I can tell you nitrobacter is the best bacteria for nitrite without having a PHD. I can also tell you it's cold in Siberia without going there.

:rant2:Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about! It is laughable to me that you could even compare a single common observation to years of microbiology research. Silly me why should anyone trust an expert scientist when we have you to tell us something works with out any proof at all. Oh wise one please tell us how we are all wrong and you are right.

 

[WeeNe858]

who cares what type of bacteria is what or does what... we all know that with the help of the present bacteria in the bottle you can cycle faster.... so if its your belief that Bio-spira or Superbac dont work then so be it.. dont use and and we'll all be happy :] but if your so genius.. then what bacterias DO we need to cycle a tank





And i wanna update my earlier post... our store has (4) 180 gallon tubs

 

[H3D]

who cares what type of bacteria is what or does what... we all know that with the help of the present bacteria in the bottle you can cycle faster.... so if its your belief that Bio-spira or Superbac dont work then so be it.. dont use and and we'll all be happy :] but if your so genius.. then what bacterias DO we need to cycle a tank. And i wanna update my earlier post... our store has (4) 180 gallon tubs

I fully believe Bio-Spira works. Like I said I have used it many times. I used it to cycle my 90 gallon just a couple of months ago. The cycle was completed in less than 2 weeks. I have also used products containing nitrobacter before and they just do not work. I am no genius, but there are many intelligent individuals who have done research on this matter and all replicated the results showing that nitrospira (the ingredient in Bio-Spira) is the main nitrifying bacteria that develops in an aquarium. I have given evidence for this other than my word. The reason this is upsetting to me is that I do not want other to read this thread and think that products that contain nitrobacter work and go out and waste their money on them.

 

[WeeNe858]

totally agreee...but superbac does have an alternative nitro in it that does the job..nitrobacter is belived to do somthing its jus that somthing isint really cycle related...



so lets start a list of claimed products that induce the cycling process to help out new people .. (and feel free to correct the listings)



-Cycle

-Stress Zyme

 

[gocfella]

The paper that H3d linked to seems to be quite conclusive on the matter. Although I had heard rumours that this was the case, it was nice to finally read the paper.

It mentions at some point that the addition of Nitrobactor containing products did have an effect on the cycle, but not because of colonisation by Nitrobactor. They suggest that (possibly)the other additives it contains (presumably to keep the nitrobactors alive) increase the health of the existing Nitrospira colony. This sounds very plausible to me. I am not an expert but I am an environmental consultant with a lot of experience in the field of domestic waste water purification.

I think it is fair for anyone to say that Nitrobactor are not a significant factor in freshwater aquaria cycling. Just adding my two cent. I am a newb to tropical fish keeping

 

[don_juan]

Oh wise one please tell us how we are all wrong and you are right.

My pleasure but I'm not that wise. I just know a thing or two about this.

The two links you cited both referenced Dr. Timothy Hovanec, Chief Science Officer of Marineland Labs in any part naming nitrospira as the "dominant" genome of nitrite oxidizing bacteria. Other references (even if you follow all the links) merely identify the genome or mention a "study" here or there about it's effectivity and even that has varied results. There is absolutely nothing dfinitive in anything you have said, other than the scientist leading the charge on all of this is on the payroll. So this brings us back to the unthinkable: Putting to rest symantics and actually doing tests for ourselves.

This bio-spira thing is almost 10 years old now and there is nothing finalized about this. It's not in the mainstream anywhere. Man, even Kurt Kobain found his way into the mainstream and he had to get through Guns N' Roses to do it and there wasn't even any scientists involved!

Look, every nitrite spike I have I put in the nitrobacter and it goes away. Do you really expect your Marineland sponsored science write-ups to compete with that? I mean, seriously.

 

[gocfella]

I would draw your attention to the fact that nobody has attempted to contradict Dr. Timothy Hovanec's findings in regard to the lack of Nitrobactor found in both a waste water or freshwater environment or repeated his tests and offered different conclusions. Although this may happen in the future, his is currently the most up to date work in the field is it not? Surely any one of Marineland's competitors would dispute the findings if they felt they were spurious or downright 'sponsored' lies?

 

[holbritter]

**note to self: never mention a brand new product that might work, on this board without wearing your blasting protection gear**

 

[don_juan]

I would draw your attention to the fact that nobody has attempted to contradict Dr. Timothy Hovanec's findings in regard to the lack of Nitrobactor found in both a waste water or freshwater environment or repeated his tests and offered different conclusions. Although this may happen in the future, his is currently the most up to date work in the field is it not? Surely any one of Marineland's competitors would dispute the findings if they felt they were spurious or downright 'sponsored' lies?

Bio-spira is one mediocre selling product by one of 3 major parent companies that own, like, almost everyone. They could care less. And they all have lies on bottles. This is the consolidation age buddy. Your radio station, TV station, newspaper, billboard, sister, and uncle are likely owned by the same company.

This is one reason why everyone isn't lining up to dispute this science. Nobody cares. I haven't seen bio-spira put anyone out of business.