ammonia converting bacteria
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H3D said:
Look, we could both have an internet article duel on this, but the fact is most of those articles don't apply to this application. That's what you're not understanding. That article you gave me says nothing about nitrospira being the nitrite oxidizer of the universe. It just recognizes it as one. There are many otehrs too. Pacers and BMWs are both cars. Does that mean they are equal? No. Everybody "says" something.
You make your decisions in this hobby based on results. So go get your results and get back to me.
this is kinda of the point i was making. the only thing i see on this is a ad from you. one thing i learned early on is not to believe everything you read. more so in ads. there are so many products that claim this or that but are snake oil. until i see some respectable site backing it up or some respectable people backing it up i will not believe it.wataugachicken said:
i am not saying your lying about it. coming from someone new that i dont know i just dont believe it as much as someone who has been here and is proven to be a reliable source.
The article I posted recognizes nitrospira as the the nitrifying bacteria inside an aquarium. Yes there are many nitrifying bacteria, however they are not all effective inside of an aquarium. Yes I know nitrobacter is a nitrifier. It has been found effective in sewage treatment plants, however it is not effective inside of an aquarium. The reason you do not want to post a source that backs up this claim about nitrobacter is because you will not be able to find one.don_juan said:
Perhaps you used cured live rock that was ready to convert NH3 and NO2z when you bought it? I've seen this work many times in SW tanks. However, cycling a FW tank from scratch is a whole different ballgame.
severum mama said:
It was a rhetorical question. You still have to wait on cured live rock to fill your tank.
Why would someone take the time to recommend anything based on something they had only read about in research papers or company claims? If that's what I had done here then I might understand the defensive rudeness I was met with. I happened to have had practical experience with a product someone mentioned (SuperBac), as you guys obviously haven't, so I shared my experience. Then I was accused of "selling" because I linked you to a pdf I was good enough to fetch for your benefit, not mine. Good lord.
It doesn't take a bioengineer to test a product, just the need to cycle a tank.
If the rock is cured, then there would be no die off, and no need to wait to begin stocking. Even with a bacterial additive, it's best to take it slow IMO.
I haven't accused you of anything, just pointing out that I am a skeptic when it comes to bacterial additives- I wouldn't have recommended the Bio Spira either. From what I've heard from a lot of folks, even Bio Spira can be pretty much hit or miss, whether that's due to general ineffectiveness, poor shipping practices, etc. If you follow the instructions and add a full bioload along with the product only to later discover it didn't work for you, then you have a real mess on your hands until the cycle finishes.
There's no question that the easiest thing for the OP to do is just to overdose the ammonia while he is out of town. The worst case scenario then is that he doses too much ammonia and stalls the cycle a bit.
I haven't accused you of anything, just pointing out that I am a skeptic when it comes to bacterial additives- I wouldn't have recommended the Bio Spira either. From what I've heard from a lot of folks, even Bio Spira can be pretty much hit or miss, whether that's due to general ineffectiveness, poor shipping practices, etc. If you follow the instructions and add a full bioload along with the product only to later discover it didn't work for you, then you have a real mess on your hands until the cycle finishes.
There's no question that the easiest thing for the OP to do is just to overdose the ammonia while he is out of town. The worst case scenario then is that he doses too much ammonia and stalls the cycle a bit.
thanks don juan for the site :]... a majority of the nitrafying bacteria products work in speeding the cycle up... super bac is just a shelved version of bio spira.. and yes they do use super bac in sewage treating... but why is there a difference in decomposing organics in a sewer plant and decomposing organics in a filter or tank?... the 2 different bacteria in the bottle to my knowledge do their own thing.. (one converts ammonia and one converts the nitrite) and as far as proof goes... we set up all our tanks with superbac here at Coral and Reef Center and being that the bacteria are cultivated... each batch is different and i you think you got a dud notify you LFS or the company with the batch number and stuff on the bottom of the bottle :]
