And just who do you think you are?

i understand your point your making but you just have to pic and choose who you want to believe and then see what works for yourself the reason for threads is to answer questions in a community of fish keepers and if an answer is wrong someone else can comment and fix that. thats the point of a community.. to work together. working in an aquarium store i see diffrent ways of keeping fish everyday some people make thing work certain ways.(might not always be the healthiest for the fish but works). we just have to trust each other and like with any science(fish keeping is a science in a way) we must review our peers and learn through trial and error.

True. I guess I am just sick and tired of "know-it-alls" that are not only blatently WRONG when they give advice, but they are downright rude to "noobs" who are asking questions and dont know any better yet. We were all "noobs" once, and I have seen a rise in this lately. It makes me sick.

Irish
 
OK, you refuse to point fingers. I am left wondering exactly what you are talking about, and why you posted it in this particular forum.

Honestly...You are sounding like one of the ppl youre not going to point your finger at...

Blue

i agree lol why is this such a big deal we all think it but why the dramatics?
 
True. I guess I am just sick and tired of "know-it-alls" that are not only blatently WRONG when they give advice, but they are downright rude to "noobs" who are asking questions and dont know any better yet. We were all "noobs" once, and I have seen a rise in this lately. It makes me sick.

Irish

well ill admit when im wrong and will always double check things before i post them. just hang in there and nubes dont exist its just a nice way of calling someone ignorant. dont let it bug you some just have more time under there belt and knowledge in their head.
 
OK, you refuse to point fingers. I am left wondering exactly what you are talking about, and why you posted it in this particular forum.

Honestly...You are sounding like one of the ppl youre not going to point your finger at...

Blue

Leave it to a moderator in inflame things....:devil:

Irish
 
I personally cant answer for others as to why., I do know tht in order to create a more positive attitude-enviroment on the forum, corrective criticism could be made in a more postive way all the way around. Such as offering a positive slution as well as speaking of the negative problem. When you put someone on the defensive..well..you get just that , a defensive response. This needs to be thought about by ALL when replying to threads, offering advice. Also, you cant be the pot calling the kettle black.

I am moving this to GCC as brackish is not the place for this thread.

Blue
 
Okay here is my opinion (and it's called an opinion, because it is neither right nor wrong...come on people, remember those civics classes??). I completely agree with Germanman on the fact that being able to do competant research is a skill that is learned and not everyone can do it. But let me pose you this question. You have two "experts" on fishkeeping....

Subject A just graduated with a PhD in zoology, with an undergraduate degree in biochemistry. So, this person has had 6+ years of very expensive schooling, knows how an aquarium should be balanced down to the molecular level. BUT this person has never had his own aquarium. Has never had any hands on experience balancing a tank under less than optimum conditions as are presented in his state of the art lab. Oh, he's watched his undergrad assistants struggle with bucket after bucket of dead/dying fish and invertebrates as he's experimented, but that's as far as he's gone towards having a tank of his own.

Subject B doesn't have a college degree. Has worked odd jobs his whole life, none related to fish or aquarium sciences. BUT this person has had an aquarium since he was old enough to read the instructions on the Penn Plax sponge filter box. He started with a goldfish in a bowl and eventually worked his way towards a SW reef tank. He has many tanks in his home, complete with several rare species he has had the extreme pleasure of breeding. There isn't a plaque hanging on his wall proclaiming him a scientist, but he is one in his own right.

Subject A and Subject B both actively post on several fishkeeper related boards.

NOW- the question...who do you take advice from? Who is the expert? He with the degree and the paper diploma to prove it? Or the humble man, breeding fish in his basement?

I don't know about you, but I don't think a diploma makes a fishkeeper. Now, before you start bashing me about not respecting those with a degree, let me tell you, I have one in Biology/Psychology with an emphasis on animal behavior. Does that make me a better fishkeeper? In one word, No. But it does help me with researching and formulating ideas and teesting them out. That's what this hobby is all about. Testing things that have worked for others and coming up with our own way of doing things. It's called discovery...something the human race is very good at, with or without a formal education.
 
i completely agree with you Siren but dont forget the person that had an aquarium since he/she could handle it and has a degree lol. nice post!
its diffrent for every person.
i believe my constant reading and the fact that i get to see so many different fish at my work combine with my current schooling and understanding of biology has made me able to keep the fish i currently have.
 
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