HELP...DISCUS IS IN TROUBLE!!!!

I couldn't get any text for the first link. The second was interesting. Sounds like whatever initiates the plague leads to massive secondary infections... I've heard of potassium permanganate dips for all kinds of things so I don't think the writer is off the wall on it. Wait for Star_rider to weigh in...

What concerns me about the plague route is that the fish has been subjected to all that anti-worm medicine and given time and pristine/clean water he might throw off the infection on his own. Perhaps the plague treatment isn't necessary. (Do you have enough tanks and uncontaminated/seeded filters to accomplish the dip and move thing?)

Hopefully star will get out of bed soon and answer..! :coffee2:
Cathy
 
couldn't see the link.
but with the plague it usually affect slime coat on the outside..the fish will literally look like it's skin is peeling off..does it look like this?
problems with these many time and with stressed fish is secondary infections.
I am leaning towards the gills affected by the nitrites at .25 any level is not good for discus..not to mention other fish.

I think this discus should be placed in a hospital tank with warm water..spike to to minimum 86 and increase to 90..discus love warm water. add salt to get it to 1 teaspoon per 10 gallons..you can go as high as 1 per 5 gallons..hypersalinity will take care of any parasite possibilities add the high temp and parasites should be under control.
you will need to stay on top of the water parameters..if you have a seeded filter use it..I like sponge filters in my q tanks.

I would do daily water changes keeping the water warm and keeping tha salt at a ratio of 1 tsp per 10 to start.

add an airstone as you will need to keep the O2 high and warm water has low dissolved O2.

lets see if this helps with the breathing..

do you know how long the nitrites have been at .25?
I suspect the fish has darkened and is hiding..are the fins clamped?
 
today the breathing is alot better...all though i am expecting it could go bad again like all the other times....
on a different forum i hav asked the same question and there are a few discus nuts there and they said that from the vid i posted there looks to be nothing wrong and this problem is from my nitrite reading of 0.25. is this right...here is what one person said...

Is this a recent clip? I have to say on looking at it I agree with Andy although as I've said before I know nothing about Discus other than what I have read so I might not be seeing what someone in the know would. He certainly doesn't look timid or like he's hiding from you and does just look like he's scouting for food. No problem with the other fish either, seems quite social. Nice colour to him, very pretty Some fish are picky with what they will eat but from that clip he doesn't look thin or ill to me.
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Just had a look at your video and IMO I think you are over concerned. The fish has strong colours and red eyes. It might be breathing a bit quick but what is the temperature? Its mooching round looking for food. A sick discus will not do that, it will go very dark in colour, emaciated (wasted) and hide permanently. Yours has none of these. The bit of skin flicking on the edge of its gills could be just that, skin. As far as scratching and flicking of its fins go, what do you do if you have an itch ?? Does'nt mean you have any plague. Just keep an eye on your water params and go easy on the medications
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thanx all on your veiws
 
Keep the water clean and add the salt if you haven't already. I'd also add that airstone if you haven't already. Time will tell... it could have been all the medicine and nitrites that caused the reaction you saw.

Glad to hear he is better - we will keep our fingers crossed. Let us know what happens ok?

Cathy
 
Just did another water change(33% to get rid of nitite.) then I did a water test.....Here is what it showed...
Temp: 30
pH:6.8
Ammonia (ppm): 0
NitrIte (ppm): 0
NitrAte (ppm):10

I did my test really carfully and it turns out i needed to shake natrate solution for longer than I have been. Do you think these parametres are good...
Any ideas/thoughts on the discus and this post(water parametres etc)
Cheers
PS. I think the discus plague is out of the question. His gills were not too bad today, but still room for improvement
 
Your water parameters are just great, keep them there and all your fish should be fine. (You may need to start thinking about a better/cooler water tank for the bosemani...)

A couple of things to think about regarding water changes. Though nitrates are an indicator of water quality, they should not be thought of as the main reason to change your water. For example, if you have a planted tank often nitrates will always be low and that might lead to you think you don't have to change your water. There are many things which get into our tanks which we cannot control such as molds, bacteria, flukes... stuff like that. When you change water, not only are you reducing nitrates, but you are lightening the load of those pathogens in your tank. This will only do good for your fish.

Keep up the good work, once your tank is fully cycled again - if those numbers you got stay that way through the next week - then when you do your water change, don't replace the salt.

Have a good weekend,
Cathy
 
discus

after watching the video and reading

discus should be keept in a group at least of 6

and how can you put in mollys and platys and bosmanis

there are lots of DISCUS ONLY FORUMS on the Net with carry alot of info

with discus there is no wonder that this discus is not well

why not read books about discus care

before taking them on

kind regards

Gerald
 
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