How many Yellow Lab for 36 gallon aquarium?

Coler also hit on something I forgot - make sure you get a good ratio of M to F. Usually 1 Male to 3 Females will do great. But beware, you will have MANY fry to work with soon :perv:


Further, make sure there are lots of good rockwork, tunnels, good gravel so they can dig with out harm, and other hiding places, especially if you get fry. But that is a whole other story.

Aries

The tank is not big enough for a breeding tank. I would do 3-4 males or 3-4 females but no f/m mix. There is just not enough room for territory in a 35g. As far as bottom feeders and algae eaters you dont need them. The Labs will eat algae that is their main diet in the wild. They are also scavangers and will find every last bit of food.
 
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that is why it is likely that 3 - 4 males would result 1 - 2 males and then 1 male. 1 male with females would make a lot more sense.

Not in that size tank, maybe for a while but not upon adult size. A minimum of 55 gallons should be provided for even a small group of mbuma. Males fight more if there is a female present. The male will harass the female to death in that small of tank even if you have 5 females. I have 5 females and one male Yellow lab in my 75g and the male still beats on the female during spawning. If no females are present they wont have anything to fight about except territory and that dispute will be settled quick.
 
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The tank is not big enough for a breeding tank. I would do 3-4 males or 3-4 females but no f/m mix. There is just not enough room for territory in a 35g. As far as bottom feeders and algae eaters you dont need them. The Labs will eat algae that is their main diet in the wild. They are also scavangers and will find every last bit of food.

I disagree. I have breed well into adulthood Labs (and only labs, no algae eater or scavenger as indeed the are not needed) in a 29G, for countless iterations of fry. I did have to move fry away because there was no room comfortably for all the fish and their fry. I also would NOT do 3-4 males of labs, if you go the no breeding route, stay with 3-4 females. While labs are less aggressive, males can be aggressive as they are still mbuna.

I had a 2M:6F adult (4.5"-5") ratio in my breeding tank. It lasted many moons before I got tired of trying to find homes for all the new fishes.

akapaul26 said:
The male will harass the female to death in that small of tank even if you have 5 females
Not in my experience. Yes, you have to be careful. Once the female release, they are pretty much back on the market for more breeding, thus little time to feed and build up reserves for the next 3 or so weeks of no eating. Also note that it is also up to the personality of the fish themselves to determine how many can go in.

Coler said:
that is why it is likely that 3 - 4 males would result 1 - 2 males and then 1 male. 1 male with females would make a lot more sense.
I agree. But then you have to deal with fry - can get old after a while.

As for territory, there is enough room. Now you cant have a plain tank either. I had tunnels (pvc), attached caves (via suction cups), decor that had holes they hide in, gravel they could dig in (small pea size), current they could swim in, and areas where they could dig under things for their spawning.

Also just because this logic works for Labs, does NOT mean it will work for any other MBuna.

ALL THIS IS MY OPINION, TAKE AS SUCH.

Aries
 
Hmmmm...mine thrived extremely well - way beyond "just working".

Just my $0.02.

Aries
 
Hmmmm...mine thrived extremely well - way beyond "just working".

Just my $0.02.

Aries

Im not sure why you are trying to justify keeping that many agressive fish in a 36 gallon. Let alone YOU keeping them in a 29 gallon. I highly doubt they were thriving in a 29 gallon. Ask anyone who knows anything about keeping labs or other mbuma for that matter. Im sure they will tell you that a 50 gallon is MINIMUM for them. You must of had some extreme filtration and a extensive water change schedule to keep up with all the waste produced in such a small tank?!
 
Oh and Labs are not that aggressive when comparing to other mbuna. Sorry. All the ones I have had and seen are passive in comparison.

If they were not thriving, why did I get about 15 sets of fry? Why are they still alive after 7 years and still giving fry in the current 37G they reside in? Why did they always greet me? etc.

This is not a place to make fun of people as this thread IS WAY OFF BASIS. There is no point in me reducing myself to your level.

Point is:

Aries said:
Soooo....I would start with a few (ie 4) and move from there depending on your setup, water and your skill.
This is VERY possible regardless of what anyone says. I have done it and many others have done it. The labs show bright yellow and deep black with zero signs of stress and grow to 5". I will agree my situation was special, but I put my suggestion in my post. I gave my situaion ONLY as reference that what everyone states is a suggestion based on their experience and not law or fact.

This suggestions ALSO does NOT take into consideration if the person wants an algae eater or not or other scavengers. That would reduce the total population of labs.

You are entitled to your opinion and I am not knocking you for that, but the attacks against my experience.

My side is closed.

Aries
 
The tank is not big enough for a breeding tank. I would do 3-4 males or 3-4 females but no f/m mix. There is just not enough room for territory in a 35g. As far as bottom feeders and algae eaters you dont need them. The Labs will eat algae that is their main diet in the wild. They are also scavangers and will find every last bit of food.


sorry but how will 3 -4 males cut down on aggression ? re the rest of your posts, I think (imo) 1 male and a harem of females is the best approach to ensuring that no one female is harassed to death.

If labs are that aggressive why are you reccomending keeping 3 -4 males in this tank which is too small to allow them claim sufficient territory ? As a very new fishkeeper I would be interested in your thinking.

btw I think they are (generally) called mbuna not mbuma, correct me if I am wrong :)
 
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