Sorry but over 215ppm is not recommended, tank raised or wild caught. A few generations does not change thousands of years of evolution, and fish evolved to handle certain water parameters in their native ranges.
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I had a heavily planted cherry shrimp tank with Flourite black sand. The low to medium light plants & shrimp grew great! But the fine sand was a PITA, I lost some each water change even just swirling the small vac near the surface. I prefer a slightly more coarse sand or fine gravel.
There are plants you can grow with any or no substrate at all. Shrimp are surprisingly interesting if you haven't kept them before, neocaridinas are easy IME...& lots of nano fish that you may like. I made the mistake of choosing rasbora maculata with red cherry shrimp...almost the same size & color...a disappointing combo.
There are plants you can grow with any or no substrate at all. Shrimp are surprisingly interesting if you haven't kept them before, neocaridinas are easy IME...& lots of nano fish that you may like. I made the mistake of choosing rasbora maculata with red cherry shrimp...almost the same size & color...a disappointing combo.
Id like to point out to any other readers here seeing this post... seriouslyfish is a site compiled with information gathered by scientists. If it isn't "good info" then what does anyone even know about fish at all.
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Shrimp are very fun, id agree with them as well for any small setup. Often more entertaining than fish lol.
Personally I love ghost shrimp, but they're mostly bred as feeders so theyre not very hardy. But they have amusing habits and behaviors. Cherries are bright and colourful, any colour you like, they probably have it lol blue, red, green, yellow, orange... etc. And theyre active more when there's no other fish present, so you can see more activity if you chose to do shrimp only.
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Shrimp are very fun, id agree with them as well for any small setup. Often more entertaining than fish lol.
Personally I love ghost shrimp, but they're mostly bred as feeders so theyre not very hardy. But they have amusing habits and behaviors. Cherries are bright and colourful, any colour you like, they probably have it lol blue, red, green, yellow, orange... etc. And theyre active more when there's no other fish present, so you can see more activity if you chose to do shrimp only.
Pure misinformation about seriouslyfish.com, these are written by normal fish keepers. So if the experts from seriously say that some tetras can b keep in hard water there no really experts r they? If a 20 year expert with studies done on fish tells that seriously has bad info, they do have bad info and spread misinformation, & so u do have to stop mesmerazing other members with seriouslyfish.com Noodle my dear friend. And am afraid IK bout fishes man *^*
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Affects of minerals in the water affecting hardwater vs softwater fish, states minerals building up in the tissues of softwater fish when kept in hard water.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Effects on both hard and soft water
www.biotopeone.com
Add those onto my resource above regarding columnaris being more prevalent among soft water fish kept in hard water as well.
One should be careful about the advice they give, often it has been false and can lead to disaster to beginners reading these posts in the future, and those here now asking for advice. Many times advice has been given that was flat out dangerous as well.
Investigations on the osmoregulation of freshwater fish (Oreochromis niloticus) following exposures to metals (Cd, Cu) in differing hardness - PubMed
Hardness is one of the most important factors in water chemistry as it affects fish physiology and metal toxicity. The aim of this study was to investigate osmoregulatory responses in the Nile tilapia Oreochromis niloticus exposed to copper and cadmium (1.0μg/mL) in soft water (SW) (hardness...
Effects on both hard and soft water
Water Hardness and its Effect on Your Fish - Biotope One
Water quality has a direct impact on the health of aquarium fish. One very important aspect is water
www.biotopeone.com
Add those onto my resource above regarding columnaris being more prevalent among soft water fish kept in hard water as well.
One should be careful about the advice they give, often it has been false and can lead to disaster to beginners reading these posts in the future, and those here now asking for advice. Many times advice has been given that was flat out dangerous as well.
I put White Sand, on top of Carib-Sea Eco Complete Black planted substrate. I am newer to Planted Tanks. I can still plant anywhere in the tank, and am using Playground White Sand for a top layer, about an 1-1/2" thick. I am using the stock Marineland 150 Filter, that came with the Marineland 20 tall basic kit.
I like white substrate. Black is good, but visually, I like white. I have a dark Betta in the tank, so a dark bottom would not lend itself visually appealing with a Fancy Super Blue Butterfly HM Betta, to me.....
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I like white substrate. Black is good, but visually, I like white. I have a dark Betta in the tank, so a dark bottom would not lend itself visually appealing with a Fancy Super Blue Butterfly HM Betta, to me.....
Click Link Below:
https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petco...nVA1qG00C4JDAeuXJLxoCXsQQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Wild fish can adapt. I can show you a lovely paper on acclimating zebra danios to soft water. The acclimation process took two weeks. True acclimation cannot be done in an hour a day or even a week.
Gill membrane remodeling with soft-water acclimation in zebrafish (Danio rerio)
I happen to know one of the people doing rewrites on Seriously fish for years. We have had a number of discussion on fish related topics. Noodle knows him as well. I know that one of his favorite sources, with whom he speaks regularly, is Dr. Neil Monks, Google him.
I have relied for more years than sprinkle has been alive for the information on the SF site. I will continue to do so, and will also contimue to recommend the site to those who want good information. One of the best features of their fish profiles, and one which most such sites rarely offer, is a reference list for the information in the article. Now you actually have to read through the article before you get to the references, or you could scroll down.
I just grabbed this from the site from their page for Paracheirodon innesi (MYERS, 1936) Neon Tetra
https://www.seriouslyfish.com/species/paracheirodon-innesi/
There are 7 references listed at the end of the piece. lets have a look at just one of these and who the authors are:
Oliveira, C. A., G. S. Avellino, K. T. Abe, T. C. Mariguela, R. C. Benine, G. Orti, R. P. Vari, and R. M. Corrêa e Castro, 2011 - BMC Evolutionary Biology 11(1): 275-300
Phylogenetic relationships within the speciose family Characidae (Teleostei: Ostariophysi: Characiformes) based on multilocus analysis and extensive ingroup sampling.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/1471-2148-11-275
Claudio Oliveira- Dept. Morfologia, Instituto de Biociências, Universidade Estadual Paulista, Botucatu, São Paulo, Brazil
Gleisy S Avelino- Dept. Morfologia, Instituto de Biociências, Universidade Estadual Paulista, Botucatu, São Paulo, Brazil
Kelly T Abe- Dept. Morfologia, Instituto de Biociências, Universidade Estadual Paulista, Botucatu, São Paulo, Brazil
Tatiane C Mariguela- Dept. Morfologia, Instituto de Biociências, Universidade Estadual Paulista, Botucatu, São Paulo, Brazil
Ricardo C Benine- Dept. Morfologia, Instituto de Biociências, Universidade Estadual Paulista, Botucatu, São Paulo, Brazil
Guillermo Ortí- Dept. Biological Sciences, The George Washington University, USA
Richard P Vari- Dept. Vertebrate Zoology, Smithsonian Institution, National Museum of Natural History, USA
Ricardo M Corrêa e Castro- Laboratório de Ictiologia de Ribeirão Preto (LIRP), Dept. Biologia, FFCLRP, Universidade de São Paulo, Ribeirão Preto, São Paulo, Brazil
Why would anybody think that the 6/8 researchers who are actually in Brazil would know anything about Neon Tetras. I mean where do these fish actually live? ROTFLMAO.
Most readers will likely not recognize any of the names above, so lets look at the reference list for:
Paracheirodon axelrodi (SCHULTZ, 1956) Cardinal Tetra
https://www.seriouslyfish.com/species/paracheirodon-axelrodi/
Do some research and Google just the two names I have colored yellow.
Here are a couple of hints:
Heiko Bleher (born October 18, 1944) is a German researcher, author, photographer and filmmaker best known in the scientific community for his contribution to the exploration of fresh and brackish water habitats worldwide and the discovery of many species of fish and aquatic plants, several of which carry his name, discovery location or are named in honor of Bleher's family including Hemigrammus bleheri,[1] Leporinus bleheri,[2] Bleheratherina pierucciae,[3] Streatocranus bleheri,[4] Channa bleheri,[5] Phenacogrammus bleheri,[6] Moenkhausia heikoi,[7] Chilatherina bleheri,[8] Vrisea bleheri,[9] Hyphessobrycon amandae, named for his mother, and various others.
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heiko_Bleher
Weitzman has over 100 publicattions on fish related topics and Corydora weitzmani might ring a bell, too.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Stanley_Weitzman
For those with the patience to have read through this post, here is a reward, it is another excellent site I have regularly used for species information:
https://fish.mongabay.com/
Gill membrane remodeling with soft-water acclimation in zebrafish (Danio rerio)
I happen to know one of the people doing rewrites on Seriously fish for years. We have had a number of discussion on fish related topics. Noodle knows him as well. I know that one of his favorite sources, with whom he speaks regularly, is Dr. Neil Monks, Google him.
I have relied for more years than sprinkle has been alive for the information on the SF site. I will continue to do so, and will also contimue to recommend the site to those who want good information. One of the best features of their fish profiles, and one which most such sites rarely offer, is a reference list for the information in the article. Now you actually have to read through the article before you get to the references, or you could scroll down.
I just grabbed this from the site from their page for Paracheirodon innesi (MYERS, 1936) Neon Tetra
https://www.seriouslyfish.com/species/paracheirodon-innesi/
There are 7 references listed at the end of the piece. lets have a look at just one of these and who the authors are:
Oliveira, C. A., G. S. Avellino, K. T. Abe, T. C. Mariguela, R. C. Benine, G. Orti, R. P. Vari, and R. M. Corrêa e Castro, 2011 - BMC Evolutionary Biology 11(1): 275-300
Phylogenetic relationships within the speciose family Characidae (Teleostei: Ostariophysi: Characiformes) based on multilocus analysis and extensive ingroup sampling.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/1471-2148-11-275
Claudio Oliveira- Dept. Morfologia, Instituto de Biociências, Universidade Estadual Paulista, Botucatu, São Paulo, Brazil
Gleisy S Avelino- Dept. Morfologia, Instituto de Biociências, Universidade Estadual Paulista, Botucatu, São Paulo, Brazil
Kelly T Abe- Dept. Morfologia, Instituto de Biociências, Universidade Estadual Paulista, Botucatu, São Paulo, Brazil
Tatiane C Mariguela- Dept. Morfologia, Instituto de Biociências, Universidade Estadual Paulista, Botucatu, São Paulo, Brazil
Ricardo C Benine- Dept. Morfologia, Instituto de Biociências, Universidade Estadual Paulista, Botucatu, São Paulo, Brazil
Guillermo Ortí- Dept. Biological Sciences, The George Washington University, USA
Richard P Vari- Dept. Vertebrate Zoology, Smithsonian Institution, National Museum of Natural History, USA
Ricardo M Corrêa e Castro- Laboratório de Ictiologia de Ribeirão Preto (LIRP), Dept. Biologia, FFCLRP, Universidade de São Paulo, Ribeirão Preto, São Paulo, Brazil
Why would anybody think that the 6/8 researchers who are actually in Brazil would know anything about Neon Tetras. I mean where do these fish actually live? ROTFLMAO.
Most readers will likely not recognize any of the names above, so lets look at the reference list for:
Paracheirodon axelrodi (SCHULTZ, 1956) Cardinal Tetra
https://www.seriouslyfish.com/species/paracheirodon-axelrodi/
Do some research and Google just the two names I have colored yellow.
- Bleher, Heiko, 2008 - Tropical Fish Hobbyist, October 2008: 92-95
A Story of Four Neon Tetras, Part Two: And Now a Fourth Neon! - Cooke, G. M., N. L. Chao and L. B. Beheregaray, 2009 - Freshwater Biology 54: 1216–1232
Phylogeography of a flooded forest specialist fish from central Amazonia based on intron DNA: the cardinal tetra Paracheirodon axelrodi. - Géry, J., 1977 - T.F.H. Publications, Inc.: 1-672
Characoids of the World. - Ikeda, T. and S. Kohshima, 2009 - Environmental Biology of Fishes 86: 427-441
Why is the neon tetra so bright? Coloration for mirror-image projection to confuse predators? “Mirror-image decoy” hypothesis. - Mikolji, I., 2009 - Tropical Fish Hobbyist 635: 70-75
Cardinal tetras in their natural nabitat. - Oliveira, C. A., G. S. Avellino, K. T. Abe, T. C. Mariguela, R. C. Benine, G. Orti, R. P. Vari, and R. M. Corrêa e Castro, 2011 - BMC Evolutionary Biology 11(1): 275-300
Phylogenetic relationships within the speciose family Characidae (Teleostei: Ostariophysi: Characiformes) based on multilocus analysis and extensive ingroup sampling. - Reis, R. E., S. O. Kullander and C. J. Ferraris, Jr. (eds), 2003 - EDIPUCRS, Porto Alegre: i-xi + 1-729
Check list of the freshwater fishes of South and Central America. CLOFFSCA. - Weitzman, S. H. and W. L. Fink, 1983 - Bulletin of the Museum of Comparative Zoology 150(6): 339-395
Relationships of the neon tetras, a group of South American fishes (Teleostei, Characidae), with comments on the phylogeny of New World characiforms.
Here are a couple of hints:
Heiko Bleher (born October 18, 1944) is a German researcher, author, photographer and filmmaker best known in the scientific community for his contribution to the exploration of fresh and brackish water habitats worldwide and the discovery of many species of fish and aquatic plants, several of which carry his name, discovery location or are named in honor of Bleher's family including Hemigrammus bleheri,[1] Leporinus bleheri,[2] Bleheratherina pierucciae,[3] Streatocranus bleheri,[4] Channa bleheri,[5] Phenacogrammus bleheri,[6] Moenkhausia heikoi,[7] Chilatherina bleheri,[8] Vrisea bleheri,[9] Hyphessobrycon amandae, named for his mother, and various others.
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heiko_Bleher
Weitzman has over 100 publicattions on fish related topics and Corydora weitzmani might ring a bell, too.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Stanley_Weitzman
For those with the patience to have read through this post, here is a reward, it is another excellent site I have regularly used for species information:
https://fish.mongabay.com/
if your new 10 gallons is a good starting aquarium
im new to aquariums myself, tried elodea but it died
im new to aquariums myself, tried elodea but it died
