4300 Gallon Plywood Build (3600+ Take 2)
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CWO4GUNNER
USN/USCG 1974-2004 Weps
For your sake and your family I would seriously reconsider the structural integrity of that tank frame design before investing in a liner. Honestly I have never heard of taking full length inherently strong dimensional lumber and cutting it into blocks then stacking it into a rudimentary framework using nails. Everything I know about basic frame carpentry building whether load bearing walls or aquarium tanks screams that a load bearing structure are to be dimensionally framed with unbroken wood cellulose boards with thick plywood surfacing using screws not nails. I'm just telling you this becasue I believe those blocks are moving under water pressure and with no span support may catastrophically fail sending 25 tons of water pressure through the nearest wall, your kitchen. All I'm saying is consider the benefits of conventional common tried and true structural designs over what you have assembled and make sure your absolutely confident before using that wood pile method.
Gunner, with due respect, we both have followed this project from the beginning, bit late.
There's also some mistakes in your post being that he uses deck-screws and liquid nails.
On top of that, he has put thick plywood on the inside, which basically spreads the force of the water equally across the load bearing walls.
What helps as well is that he studied and re-studied this project so much that he could lecture weeks on end on it...(and luckily, he did all that mostly before he fell in love and got married, so no butterflies that obstructed his thinking or I would have been equally worried...lol)
There's also some mistakes in your post being that he uses deck-screws and liquid nails.
On top of that, he has put thick plywood on the inside, which basically spreads the force of the water equally across the load bearing walls.
What helps as well is that he studied and re-studied this project so much that he could lecture weeks on end on it...(and luckily, he did all that mostly before he fell in love and got married, so no butterflies that obstructed his thinking or I would have been equally worried...lol)
Go bother someone else CWOGUNNER. Nearly every post you make on my thread is unfounded criticism. I've tried to explain the research and decades of combined experience that went into this build, but you're oblivious and insist on ranting about your carpentry skills over and over. Go away. I don't want to read your comments on my thread any longer. You don't know what you're talking about and have nothing good to say or add to this thread.
3" deck screws are far stronger than nails and will not pull out, but that doesn't even matter. The Liquid Nails bond will outlast the project. That is what is holding the wood together.
No span support? Look, you're obviously blind because you don't see the 2x12" bracing across tank.
There are no conventional common tried and true ways of building a tank like this.
WOOD PILE METHOD? GO AWAY!!! You don't have a clue about how this is put together. Let me ask you mr. carpenter. What's the strongest type of cabinet joint? DOVETAIL! The corners are a hybrid dovetail and mortise and tenon.
You don't even see the glued and screwed BEAMS. The tank is a boat built inside out. The "wood pile" as you refer to it is simply a means to plumb the tank, but you would have known that if you read the thread.
I'm sick of your criticism and off the wall comments and "concern." You've basically called me an idiot indirectly. I'm highly offended and wish you would refrain from commenting on this thread any further.
3" deck screws are far stronger than nails and will not pull out, but that doesn't even matter. The Liquid Nails bond will outlast the project. That is what is holding the wood together.
No span support? Look, you're obviously blind because you don't see the 2x12" bracing across tank.
There are no conventional common tried and true ways of building a tank like this.
WOOD PILE METHOD? GO AWAY!!! You don't have a clue about how this is put together. Let me ask you mr. carpenter. What's the strongest type of cabinet joint? DOVETAIL! The corners are a hybrid dovetail and mortise and tenon.
You don't even see the glued and screwed BEAMS. The tank is a boat built inside out. The "wood pile" as you refer to it is simply a means to plumb the tank, but you would have known that if you read the thread.
I'm sick of your criticism and off the wall comments and "concern." You've basically called me an idiot indirectly. I'm highly offended and wish you would refrain from commenting on this thread any further.
remind me not to screw with Pete...grats on the wedding bro! and this build thread has consumed...hours of my life since I've discovered it. You inspire me.
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CWO4GUNNER
USN/USCG 1974-2004 Weps
No offense meant at all Peter, only straightforward adult concern for you and yours, and I didn't mean for you to construed my comments as offensive only constructive. But believe me I understand your protective stance as you have invested more then 2 years in this build and I appreciate that you have shared it all. Your thread has help inspire me on my mega tank build which I hope to start, complete and share as well. OK Peter enough said, I am hoping nothing but the best results for you and yours, and if I'm proven wrong no one will be more pleased then I. PTL
I plan to unpack the fishroom this weekend and re-measure everything to be certain that I want to go with the smaller liner that fits rather than the larger that will have wasted excess.
Well, I finally got around to clearing a path in the fish room last night. I pumped out most of the remaining 6-8 inches of water and removed the visquene and boards from the backside of the viewing window.
I have to decide whether or not I want to partition off the part of the tank that doglegs around the support and make an internal filter. It would be much easier not to have to deal with the dogleg when I put the liner in since my liner folding likes equal surfaces.
Putting the partition up would make the tank a rectangle instead of a rectangle with a dogleg offset, but it would make the plumbing bulkheads look asymetrical in the tank. Not to mention it takes away from the capacity and creates a lot of work.
Still in the thought process on it and considering my options. The filter in the tank does free up the limited space behind it. While I tend to be hardheaded and stubborn, I'm attempting to be open-minded and look at things from all sides.
Open to pros and cons thoughts and ideas.
Once I make a determination on the path I'm going to be taking, I'll order the liner and proceed.
I have to decide whether or not I want to partition off the part of the tank that doglegs around the support and make an internal filter. It would be much easier not to have to deal with the dogleg when I put the liner in since my liner folding likes equal surfaces.
Putting the partition up would make the tank a rectangle instead of a rectangle with a dogleg offset, but it would make the plumbing bulkheads look asymetrical in the tank. Not to mention it takes away from the capacity and creates a lot of work.
Still in the thought process on it and considering my options. The filter in the tank does free up the limited space behind it. While I tend to be hardheaded and stubborn, I'm attempting to be open-minded and look at things from all sides.
Open to pros and cons thoughts and ideas.
Once I make a determination on the path I'm going to be taking, I'll order the liner and proceed.
