5 gal betta and platies

[Primetime]

Alright let me start off by saying "it all depends on the betta". Eventhough you cant keep 3 Platies in a 5 gallon, you can still keep a school of neons or something of that size. Now I know people will say, 6 Neons and a Betta in a 5 gallon!?!? "You're Fu**ing stupid".

Well, if you look at a 5 gallon aquarium's footprint, its actually a bit larger than given credit for. 6 Neons will also have a WAYYYYYY less bioload than messy Platys, so 50% weekly waterchanges will keep an EXTREMELY healthy environment. But then again, it all depends on the betta. My betta doesnt even bother the fanciesnt fish and always minds his own business, but thats very rare in a betta. Good luck.

 

[graphicdesign_r]

2 ADF in there would probably be fine. They're not competing for swimming space, so the betta will have run of the tank. Just keep up on water changes as you'll have a decent bioload in that tank.

The inch per gallon rule is bunk, but if you ARE stocking over 1 inch per gallon, 90% of the time you're overstocked.

I also have come to the conclusion that the poster who keeps posting advice contrary to what everyone else is posting should be ignored.

:troll:

 

[vaderbanger]

i do disagree with alot of people here, i basically go my own way.
i just give advice to things that yes it is possible and yes it can be done.
all im stating is that as long as the water quality is excellent there is nothing wrong with this set up.
ive had alot of screw ball set ups in my 26 years of fish keeping. some would cringe at what ive done, but they were all successful and all healthy. ive had fish outlive my dogs.
were not talking about putting a pacu in a 5 gallon where talking about a few platies and a betta. its no crime
a fish will show signs of stress if unhappy
and to change the tune a little bit, to the poster, why not get a 10 gallon set up instead? 10 gallon tanks are pretty cheap you can get them for 5.99 at walmart

this is just my opinion. the things i respond to are in my own experiences and have worked quite well for me. sometimes ive listend to responses on this forum and i had bad luck with it.
everyone does things differently, you just have to be open minded

 

[graphicdesign_r]

i do disagree with alot of people here, i basically go my own way.

Understandable. It's when you start suggesting to people looking for advice that your questionable set ups are good fishkeeping practice that I get annoyed.

i just give advice to things that yes it is possible and yes it can be done.
all im stating is that as long as the water quality is excellent there is nothing wrong with this set up.

Yes, there is. That is the point, it is not healthy for the fish the majority of the time since there is not enough swimming room for the fish to dart about properly. You end up with fish that have bad musculature and compromised immune systems.

ive had alot of screw ball set ups in my 26 years of fish keeping.

Good for you. The fact though, is you've kept fish for 26 years, so you would suggest some of these oddball setups for people with less experience? Some of the things you've (apparently) gotten away with should not be suggested as standard practice to people looking for good advice. Just because something can be made to work with alot of adjustments does not mean you need to suggest it as workable. I'll tell you what, you want to give oddball advice? Then give the poster your phone number so they can call you when they start having the inevitable oddball problems that arise.

some would cringe at what ive done, but they were all successful and all healthy. ive had fish outlive my dogs.

I'm cringing already. I sincerely doubt that with the suggestions you've posted that you haven't had dramatic failures, it's not possible. As for fish outliving dogs, for one thing that is normal for many species, and for another thing if you "take care" of your fish the way we all know you do then I wonder how you "take care" of your dogs...

were not talking about putting a pacu in a 5 gallon where talking about a few platies and a betta. its no crime.

Inappropriate is inappropriate. Why is it less of a crime? Because the fish are smaller?

a fish will show signs of stress if unhappy.

Or just die...

and to change the tune a little bit, to the poster, why not get a 10 gallon set up instead? 10 gallon tanks are pretty cheap you can get them for 5.99 at walmart.

WOW! A revelation. VB, see you DO have good ideas and advice. I'll agree with that suggestion with no argument whatsoever.

this is just my opinion.

Exactly, and there is a time and place for opinions. When you take it an opinion and use it as advice though, you need to consider a little more who you're giving advice to, and you need to have a reasonably firm justification. Otherwise when you run into people like me that question the advice because they have established facts that point in the other direction.

the things i respond to are in my own experiences and have worked quite well for me.

Again understandable, but your answers and advice are not in depth enough, especially if you are suggesting non-standard practices. Maybe you should clarify things by saying things like "You could keep 3 platies and one betta in a 5 gallon with some success, but it would be better if you had them in a ten gallon." In the other post (about suggested breeders for a 10 gallon), your answer was "nothing". Now THERE's an in depth response. If you want to offer up something most here consider bad advice as gospel, you d@mn well better offer some justification or explanation why.

sometimes ive listend to responses on this forum and i had bad luck with it. everyone does things differently, you just have to be open minded

Open minded is good, but keep in mind that not everyone here has 26 years of experience (I have all of three) to refer to, and not all of the things you've done over those 26 years are accepted as good fishkeeping today. I posted in the other thread that I was out of patience with you. That being said I had the patience to sit here and type all this out, hopefully the end result being that you will be more considerate and concise in future posts.

If not, then maybe at least I've given others some insight into what a "good" post is.

:read:

Edit: OK, after reading VB's last vitriolic post in "Most expensive fish to keep in a 10 gal?" I've lost all hope that he can be reformed into a person with anything worthwhile to say. I'll just ignore him and suggest you all do the same.

 

[Pufferpoison]

i do disagree with alot of people here, i basically go my own way.
i just give advice to things that yes it is possible and yes it can be done.
all im stating is that as long as the water quality is excellent there is nothing wrong with this set up.

Great, then i will adopt some kids, keep them housed in my closet, it's pretty good sized and has really good airflow, should be able to keep what 4 maybe 5 kids in there?

Thanks for the advise :clap:

 

[vaderbanger]

comparing kids to fish hmmm ok very good...ill just skip over that one

true i dont go into great detail about my success, ive been doing this so long it comes as second nature to me and i actually forget all the stuff i do.
and yes sometimes i forget that the poster may be inexperienced or a child even. and sometimes people start topics to cause such disagreements like this, they sit back and enjoy the bickering.
not that this poster is im just saying it does happen. im not the type of person to "watch" what i say. i just say it or type it fast and thats that.
all my fish are thriving and healthy. the only tanks i had suffer is when i was 10 years old and i didnt know i had to do water changes. so i had probably a few bad beginning years.
most people dont have fish that outlive their dogs. when i say outlive i mean a 13 year old fish and a 10 year old dog if you want to me to be specific.
the dog was a pitbull and died of kidney failure, 10 years for a pedigree pit is fairly common.
so get used to me voicing my advice opinions. i will try and rephrase it tho so it doesnt upset anyone

 

[Pufferpoison]

haha just messing with ya.

Yeah sometimes ppl on here are a little overboard on overstocking.
or minimum size. I have a descent sized pleco in a 55G and he's staying there. :dance: :dance: :dance: dance of the prans :dance: :dance: :dance:

 

[Rbishop]

uh-oh....

the "P" word.

Boy....are you in trouble now...might as well go sit in the corner......preferably by the inlet to the overflow.

 

[fishkeeper55]

I didn't mean for this to start a war! All I wanted to know was a simple question!

I am NOT putting the platies with the betta in the 5 gallon tank! Thanks for all your advice. I bet if I would have put the platies in there I would have ended up with dead fish!

 

[vaderbanger]

see graph artsy fartsy he didnt listen to me after all so now you can quit yer complaining
:girl: