50% water change

luca i love u! well, not literally...but u hav given new life 2 my opinion, and in fact i was think of summin along those lines for a long time. (yea right....lol). but luca is right, the bacteria colony in your filter does need feeding.

RTR - i assue you what i say is based on facts and evidence. just i cannot find it at the moment. im not entirely sure what is meant by 'dirt' myself, i just act like i do. smile and nod...gets you everywhere. but i can see where your coming from, i didnt believe it myself at first, but i was convinced. i hav a magazine article on it...and i shall try and find it and quote from it on here when i do.
 
RTR - if you or anybody else are expecting any of this to be backed up with any scientific references, you can forget about it. his beliefs are all he needs for evidence and they should be enough for you as well.
 
No, because ammonia production and release is a fairly steady function in tanks, and is oxidized fairly quickly. It is spread throughout the 24 hour day, so unless you have constant flow through (an open system rather than a closed system) you would only be reducing the titer of ammonia for a very brief period which have no measureable effect on the colony. You are depleting the stable end products because they are stable, not transitory as are ammonia and nitrites.

jpb: I am unfortunately all too well aware of that, but I cannot allow pseudo-science and mythology to go unchallenged - the less-experienced members might actually believe some of this imagination to be real.
 
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so unless you have constant flow through (an open system rather than a closed system)

So then you can change the water too much... Thanks for the info RTR!

I guess if you were continually changing the water though, you wouldnt need a bio-filter at all.

As to the original post about changing 50% / week, hope youve got a python, or a real tiny tank. Ive got a betta in a filterless 2 gal that I made, and I change bout 90% of that every other week.

However, the real answer to the original post cannot be answered accurately without further information as to what the whole picture is (inhabitants, water parameters, other dynamics, etc.). Without more detailed info, all you will get for an answer is the pure speculation youve received thus far which is based on tanks that are not yours.

Luca...
 
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heck yeah,lol, its ok. dude you have like super clean water, thats good, i try to do 25% water change weekly
 
I did not say that you can change the water too much - you have gotten your chain jerked before for putting words in people's mouths. Your level of rewsponse in pathetic. Insulting but pathetic.

A flow-through or open system does not use filters, mechanical or biological, although chemical are commonly employed upstream of the tank. They require no filters as they emulate stream or reef conditions of constant high-volume water movement and pass-through. These are not home systems under conventional hobby situations.

In closed sytems, as in normally the case for the hobbyist or even the commercial tank breeder, high percentage changes are entirely beneficial.
 
i change 50% of the water in my tank every week. is that too much?

this post can be answered. im new to fish keeping as well, and one of the best purchases ive made is 'The Simple Guide to Freshwater Aquariums, by David E. Boruchowitz'. Mr Boruchowitz is a very big advocate of water changes. here are a couple of exerpts from this book:

"It would be wonderful, however, if you could manage an even greater rate of change, say half of the water each week; then 75 percent of the water in your tank would be two weeks old or less, and close to 90 percent will always have been added in the last three weeks. Your fish will truly thrive on such a regimen."
Chapter 13, page 157

"No amount of filtration can make up for a deficiency in water changes, but water changes can make up for deficiencies in filtration. If you change water often enough you wont need any filtration at all. Yet even I - water-changing fanatic that I am - recognize that such systems are practical for maybe only one hobbyist out of a thousand, and almost never for the beginning hobbyists. Too bad."
Chapter 13, page 156

on flow-through systems... "Such a setup is typically found in commercial operations, but it is often used in a modified form as a drip overflow system by home aquarists with several tanks. The only difference here is that the water flows through the system at a much slower rate. Instead of making up for a filtration system, it serves as an automatic water-changing system. Each aquarium still has a filter, but the water is kept fresh without periodic changes."
Chapter 7, page 106

David E. Boruchowitz is the editor of Tropical Fish Hobbyist magazine and has a few other books under his belt as well. here is a link to some of his other books:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/s...hor=Boruchowitz, David E./103-1153900-1720618

ive looked through this book again, but cannot find anywhere where it says that you can change your water too much. i'll continue to look, and if i find anything concerning this, i'll post it.

you'll notice at the top of the list is a book written with Dr. Herbert Axelrod. i think this says alot about him and his recommendations. i'll go out on a limb and say that Boruchowitz knows as much as or more about fishkeeping than anybody on this board. i highly recommend this book. its very easy to read and reasonably priced as well.

id also check around the internet and maybe post this same question on some other forums.
 
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"RTR, I find it funny that some people think that they know it all, and are arrogant about their supposed "wisdom"."
if thats me ur referring to, then you got it wrong. i dont think i know it all, and admit i have alot to learn still, like we all do. i have also agreed with both sides of this topic right the way through;

"i fully agree."
"i can see where you are coming from"
"but i can see where your coming from"
- all posted by me. im just saying here that you've got me wrong on this one, and im sorry about that.

water changes are vital, but what im saying is not to go over the top. it is possible to be too clean...and im just letting people know. maybe some of you need to re-read my posts here.
 
Originally posted by jiggerpolebill
i'll go out on a limb and say that Boruchowitz knows more about fishkeeping than anybody on this board.
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Not saying you're wrong jpb, but "going out on a limb" is what you're doing with a statement like that I.M.O..

RTR - I would ask for a raise, that is, if you get paid for doing this. If not, ask for a scotch!;)
 
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