55 Gallon River Setup

I have kept paleatus a few times on and off over the years. They were in my early tanks. Then not again for some time. Now I have the long finned ones. What I discovered with my first batch of paleatus is that how they look depends a lot on the light source. Look at the pics on Planetcatfish for them, Ignoring the albinos they still run a gamut. I think a lot of that is lighting and the rest may be geographic difference?

I do not breed corys ofr the most part. So I have the paleatus, a few sterbai and albino aeneus. The one group I got inorder to spawn them have not been cooperative. These are the black Schultzei. A friend sent me six of her offspring. Then I bought six more for a measly $20 as part of my fish club's grow out contest. Unfortunately. I could not turn in my 3 biggest for the judging as I was a vendor at the Keystone Clash. My club scheduled the turn in date after I had registered for the Clash. At the recent clubs Xmas dinner meeting I grabbed another 3 small black Schultzei so I now have a total of 15. However, I doubt if more than te original 6 ae big/old enough to spawn.

If you have any advice on spawning the the Schultzei, I would appreciate it. They are kept at 78F, in basically neutral pH and with TDS in the 120 ppm range. (4 - 8 dH, 70 - 140 ppm : soft) My water is from out well and over the years it has been about this hardness but at 7,4 ppm. Then it dropped down to more like 80 PPM TDS and dead neutral. Over the past year the TDS has risen from 83 to its current 120 ppm.
Lower their temperature, for sure! Try lowering it to 75F and then doing cold water changes. The rest of the parameters look pretty good. If no powerhead or wavemaker, that can also be very useful to have.

If they're really stubborn, could always attempt the dry season/wet season method


I had the schultzei back awhile ago, they spawned relentlessly 🤣 though, they were sold as aeneus, they shared the body shape and pattern more of schultzei, and on Facebook group, Ian Fuller did say schultzei when I had asked about them.

Kept mine at 76F, pH 7, GH 5° KH 3° unsure on TDS, last I checked it was like 90 but that was eons ago when I had a TDS pen and used it for fun.
They spawned heavily towards stormy weather for sure, and often following water changes. I lost my original group awhile back, however. But babies I sold to someone else, they bred them, though I think they crossed them with true aeneus. A friend of mine then bought those babies from that person, which then bred in turn, so I now have a group of them now which show traits of both aeneus and schultzei. They're not being further bred by me, as I question species purity here, but it's nice to have some "great grandbabies" from my originals just as pets. That said, they're already barely a year old and chasing one another around in spawning attempts 🙄

But 78F is very hot for spawning any cories, most need colder end of their ranges and cold water changes, since most breed during the colder rainy seasons. So go 75F and ramp up the flow.
 
Trimmed and moved around some stargrass trimmings, some to the left side now too.

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Plecos are starting to come out early in the evening with the lights on still. Baby paleatus super active, seeing more and more, and theyve gotten so much bigger.

 
Thanks for the advice. In ages past I had sterbai and, panda spawns. But once I moved into plecos corys became a display tank fish rather than a spawning fish. I had eggs from paleatus and similis but they were always eaten.

While I do planted community tanks, pretty much all of my pleco tanks are plantless and only have lights on when I am working in the tank.

I can do the whole rainy dry if I must. Also, when I began with them I had them at 76F. I have a temperature controller on their tank. I also have a couple of anubias and a Java fern in the Schultzei tank. Also, ever since last Sept. after the keystone clash I have had 3 rainbows in the tank. They are not mine. They were supposed to be picked up by a bent buying them from their owner who parked them with me and then he was to buy my 4 Altums. He backed out and I am now stuck with both species.

It has always been my practice to spawn fish in species tanks. Sometimes I have also had to have grow tanks when working with species who will eat their own eggs or young. This is why I ended up working with the Hypancistrus. They do not eat their own and they also do all the work raising the kids to free swimming. Plus the ones I keep have generally smaller spawns, so they are easier to manage.

Part of my problem is that I keep mostly warm water species. At 76, the schultzei tank is one of my coolest. The only other one that cool is a 15 gal. with snails shrimp and white clouds. Most of my tanks are in the low to mid 80sF. So I am not sure I can move those 3 rainbows to another tank.

I will see if i can park the bows elsewhere and then drop the tempt to 76. if I want to do a colder water change what temp do you suggest I target for the tank after that. I have plenty of experience doing a dry rainy for plecos but have never had to do one for corys. But my experience with them is somewhat limited.

BTW, I got to meet Ian very nriefly at one of the CatCon events. Basically, I took the opportunity shake his hand and to thank him for all the information and expertise he has shared with hobbyists. O do not do social media but I do tend fish events where experts like Ian also attend, usually as speakers. I credit some advice from Ingo Seidel and Dale Ernst for helping me to get my wild L173s spawning.

Cass- you still have some of the best looking tanks I see on sites. I make jungles and you make beautiful scapes that are always fish friendly and of which I am always jealous.
 
Thanks for the advice. In ages past I had sterbai and, panda spawns. But once I moved into plecos corys became a display tank fish rather than a spawning fish. I had eggs from paleatus and similis but they were always eaten.

While I do planted community tanks, pretty much all of my pleco tanks are plantless and only have lights on when I am working in the tank.

I can do the whole rainy dry if I must. Also, when I began with them I had them at 76F. I have a temperature controller on their tank. I also have a couple of anubias and a Java fern in the Schultzei tank. Also, ever since last Sept. after the keystone clash I have had 3 rainbows in the tank. They are not mine. They were supposed to be picked up by a bent buying them from their owner who parked them with me and then he was to buy my 4 Altums. He backed out and I am now stuck with both species.

It has always been my practice to spawn fish in species tanks. Sometimes I have also had to have grow tanks when working with species who will eat their own eggs or young. This is why I ended up working with the Hypancistrus. They do not eat their own and they also do all the work raising the kids to free swimming. Plus the ones I keep have generally smaller spawns, so they are easier to manage.

Part of my problem is that I keep mostly warm water species. At 76, the schultzei tank is one of my coolest. The only other one that cool is a 15 gal. with snails shrimp and white clouds. Most of my tanks are in the low to mid 80sF. So I am not sure I can move those 3 rainbows to another tank.

I will see if i can park the bows elsewhere and then drop the tempt to 76. if I want to do a colder water change what temp do you suggest I target for the tank after that. I have plenty of experience doing a dry rainy for plecos but have never had to do one for corys. But my experience with them is somewhat limited.

BTW, I got to meet Ian very nriefly at one of the CatCon events. Basically, I took the opportunity shake his hand and to thank him for all the information and expertise he has shared with hobbyists. O do not do social media but I do tend fish events where experts like Ian also attend, usually as speakers. I credit some advice from Ingo Seidel and Dale Ernst for helping me to get my wild L173s spawning.

Cass- you still have some of the best looking tanks I see on sites. I make jungles and you make beautiful scapes that are always fish friendly and of which I am always jealous.
Sometimes a change of environment can also trigger spawning. It may be helpful to set up a temporary tote with flow ramped up and colder temperatures just to move the schultzei in to attempt a spawn and remove the parents once they do.
I've done this with my weitzmani cories before. Kept decor minimal--some sand, leaf litter, 1 large piece of driftwood, and some fake plants just because I didn't do lighting and didn't want to deal with moving snails or such into the tote. Moved the well fed group into the tote and within a couple days they spawned. Wasn't successful with the fry in that case, weitzmani aren't very easy to raise, but it's also something you can consider if moving tanks longterm isn't a solution.

This was that, I don't use that YouTube account anymore though.

That said, your bows should be fine at 76F though too. Many are fairly tolerant of a wider range of temperatures, some more than others.

If your altums are in the tank, maybe not so good for them though.


Mr. Fuller is a nice gentleman, I've not had the chance to meet him, but I'm also not a social person. I avoid gatherings lol.


As for the scapes, I try to scape with the fish in the tank in mind. What type of shelter do they prefer, what sort of things did they like, what didn't they care for, how can I balance their needs and my preferences (example, I hate seeing equipment, so how can I avoid looking at it while making sure it's placed in a way that benefits the fish). I spend a lot of my downtime just enjoying looking at scapes on Google BUT also looking at underwater videos of wild habitats. See how the fish behave in their natural conditions. I can't fully replicate it, but I like to try.

That said, I also appreciate nice dense jungles of the chaotic variety. They meet the fish's needs nearly in every case, and they're a good staple scape to do.

Ever see underwater videos of places like Rio Sucuri? Very nice clear waters with gorgeous plants

Always nice to see corydoras habitats too

I love following Biotopia and Below Water on YouTube and love their underwater stuff.
 
Doing my weekly water changes, and all the babies are coming out and shoaling around the tank. Has to be the cutest thing. It's like a baby cory parade


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Though, Fishorama, you called it on them red eyes being nippy. That's an understatement. They are volatile. I found one of the really skinny ones dead the other day, it was half eaten. I figured it was eaten after it died, since it was so skinny maybe it wasn't going to make it anyways. I added 2 more fresh from the store, not skinny ones.

But then today, I noticed the other really skinny one swimming funky... it's whole tail is eaten right off. Past the joint into the body. It's alive. And I doubt it's going to survive, but man. They are eating the weaker ones alive, literally.

The baby cories in the QT are untouched though, so I'm hoping it's kept among themselves and perhaps don't do it to the healthier ones
 
I love LOVE! all you paleatus fry! We had punk & mel (punctatus & melanestius, similar but different species) for our first 2 cories. Then an actual group of paleatus. So very cute! But ours never bred that we saw.

I'm sorry your tetras are behaving in a lesser (bad) way, ugh!. I think a lot of it depends on tank size & tankmate size...& just general tetra obnoxiousness.

This is partly why I love rasboras so much more than tetras anymore. Rasboras don't have teeth in the front of their mouths like tetras do so they can't really nip much even if they are so inclined. Not any rasbora species I've kept, but only 4 or 5 kinds I think...& some were tiny. I have heard a story or 2 of nippy rasboras, but really, I'm doubtful, unless they were bite sized tankmates...no fish can resist those I think, tiny shrimp or fry don't count, lol.
 
I love LOVE! all you paleatus fry! We had punk & mel (punctatus & melanestius, similar but different species) for our first 2 cories. Then an actual group of paleatus. So very cute! But ours never bred that we saw.

I'm sorry your tetras are behaving in a lesser (bad) way, ugh!. I think a lot of it depends on tank size & tankmate size...& just general tetra obnoxiousness.

This is partly why I love rasboras so much more than tetras anymore. Rasboras don't have teeth in the front of their mouths like tetras do so they can't really nip much even if they are so inclined. Not any rasbora species I've kept, but only 4 or 5 kinds I think...& some were tiny. I have heard a story or 2 of nippy rasboras, but really, I'm doubtful, unless they were bite sized tankmates...no fish can resist those I think, tiny shrimp or fry don't count, lol.
Given the QT is a smaller space, I'm sure that plays a part in it. A local friend who's had them before though says they were really nasty for him as well and did pick each other off for him too. I'm just hoping a good number of the group settle in well after quarantine.

My sarawaks chase and nip, but never really damage. And my harlies never did either. But they have fantastic activity levels too.
If I wasn't so picky on the themed tanks having fish only from specific regions, I'd have had several options from rasboras or even danios to add to this tank instead. But no, I gotta be picky 🙄🤣

The baby cories just were putting on the cutest show. It's a shame the 2 new ones aren't able to join the big group yet. Same sized babies, give or take.
 
Well, you know me, loaches & rasboras fit right in together for "Asian" mostly in a vague way...& maybe some plants (crypts!) from sorta nearby. Sarawak rasboras & denisonii barbs are on my short lists for 2 different tanks.

I'm not a purist by any means. My aeneus cory & BN tank has room for tetras after the couple survivor rummies die out pretty soon. 2 big Amazon swords...room for improvements but no big plans yet.
 
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They were loving a shrimp wafer snack
 
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I'll be picking up some more vallisneria from a friend soon, but the plants in there currently are growing great. Nice colour on the flame sword.
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Finally got close ups of the really pretty paleatus baby
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"I know there's a wafer somewhere..."
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And a zoomed photo of her with siblings to compare her markings. Much darker marked.
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The new Chaetostoma male is always displaying his unhappy colours. I've increased hiding areas for them, there's so much more options to hide but he doesn't use them and just moves around. I am unsure of what he really wants. He's a little skinnier than the others, not a plump belly, but not scrawny either. I don't know if he's eating, I haven't seen him eat.
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The ladies are happy though.
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As is my original male, but he's usually under a rock where he dug a burrow.
 
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