A few newb questions

finn

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Right so I am kind of new to this hobby , only got my first 80 Liter tank last month and followed instructions from this site and elsewhere. I have lost two Zebrafish(Very tiny , lost during my second water change) and that's it.

It has a UG filter with two air pumps to provide aeration. After doing research , I decided to have an open top tank with the water line slightly lower to prevent fish from jumping out as the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.More below.

Current inhabitants :

4 Serpae Tetra
2 Albino Corys
2 Male Rosy Barbs(I had heard about aggression but they get along fine and are the most peaceful inhabitants with respect to other species.
4 Zebrafish
2 Tuxedo Platy's

A couple of questions , thanks in advance. :)

Can I add any more fish without screwing up the system?

Do I need a more high tech filter here or the UGF will do.?

Having studied Environmental Engineering and Water chemistry as a part of my coursework , I knew that plants , aquatic or land absorb NO3 - anions from the water , one of the products of chemical reaction involving ammonia. So what I took around four tall cuttings of Dracaena(different species) and placed them in the tank with their stems submerged and buried in the medium gravel and pebble substrate. I did this before setting up my tank so that I had roots develop and a semi functional nitrate filter.
So after a month , my system is working fine with no nitrates and healthy fish. Now I am planning to get some pothos cuttings and immerse the roots in the water.
I have researched about using land plants in aquarium and there seems to be some disagreement about this among the experts. Some say it is great for the fish and land plants are much more efficient in absorbing nitrates than aquatic plants and it could be successfully done provided the leaves are not under the water level and adequate lighting is provided. Others say it is harmful for the fish. I am not so sure about this. Is it ok in the long term with the fish I currently have in my tank? I do have a local duckweed like species and a few plastic plants as well.

Lastly , I see my Platies eating all the time and defecating with even greater frequency:o Is it normal? They have long trails of white/pink poo sometimes. Otherwise they are fine.

Also , I dropped a teeny shred of soft mango in the tank to test the reaction of the fish and to my utter amazement , my Barbs and Tetras were in a feeding frenzy like a group of sharks tearing chunks of flesh out of its prey! They seem to love it. They also like soft cucumbers and blanched cabbage(I guess they're safe?). So what vegetables can I feed them without making them ill, as a treat?Is Mango safe?.
Normally I use floating and sinking pellets and also the occasional bloodworm and algae wafer.
Last question:D
Do fish stress out if I change the layout of the tank ? Move stuff around , nothing radical. They must be pretty used to my current setup by now so I was wondering.

Sorry for the length of the post:o
 
Ok, in reverse...

1. You need a more stable filtration system. Some recommend HOB, But I hate them and will never waste my time or money on one. I would recomend a inexpensive canister like a peen plax cascade 500 or 700...

2. Once you have adequete filtration from another REAL filter... You can think about adding fish. If you expect to have a healthy system, with only 20 gallons of water, you will need more than enough filtration to support it. In this case I would recommend adding a large wet/dry filter or larger canister with long hoses. This will add a few more gallons to your set-up and provide the filtration you would require trying to keep a large community of fish in a small aquarium.

IMO

Also welcome to the club, and dues are paid to me on the first of the month... :)

-Aaron
 
Well, a very *general* rule of thumb about stocking is no more than 1 inch of slim-bodied fish per gallon. I'd say you're probably overstocked a bit now, or soon will be.
 
Thanks folks.

I know my Tank is kind of small but all my fish are pretty small except the barbs which are around 2.5 inches. So no more fish, my job's to keep the ones I have happy.
2. Once you have adequete filtration from another REAL filter... You can think about adding fish. If you expect to have a healthy system, with only 20 gallons of water, you will need more than enough filtration to support it. In this case I would recommend adding a large wet/dry filter or larger canister with long hoses. This will add a few more gallons to your set-up and provide the filtration you would require trying to keep a large community of fish in a small aquarium.
Yeah , I'll get that filter this week. Can I keep the UGF or should I take it out after getting a new filter?

Will post some pics shortly.

My Serpae tetra's are quite nippy towards each other but its basically play-fighting , they do not do any damage. Is this normal behaviour for tetras?
The Barbs are the most peaceful inhabitants of the tank. They are absolutely not bothered by any thing at all, not even the occasional collision with a feeding Cory. They are real chill fish as long as they have stuff to nibble at. They are wreaking havoc on my duckweed plant with new shoots.
Platies hang out near the top and occasionally come down to feed. Generally they are out of fish society and keep to themselves , nibbling at plants and airtubes all the time and defecating copiously.
The danios are zippy little critters who dart in and out of the plants near the top. There are only four but they still sort of school.
 
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IMO/E UGF are somewhat inadequate(bot completely), but you should not disturb the eco-system you are building by removing it... Add another filter and leave the UGF for more filtration...

-Aaron
 
I would say the UG filter depends on what you end up planting.. keeping in mind, anytime you want to clean the filter, you have to really mess with whatever you planted, decors, etc.. (or so I have read)

Personally, I would not use an UG filter, much prefer power-filters.. (I have a similiar sized tank with an Aqueon Quiteflow 20 and it works great for my bioload, which is similialr-ish to yours).. but of course, to each their own!

And yes, the tetra behaviour sounds pretty normal to me! :)
 
You can also consider reverse flow UGF if you have standard pebble substrate. This will help really keep everything clean when used in conjunction with a canister or other PF.
 
That is a good idea. The extra filtration can never be too bad and reverse ugf is better than reg. ugf. Plus it will help keep the gravel cleaner from debris.
 
Big thanks for the answers guys :thm: So what I understood from the replies, I need to add a proper filter to my tank. My options.

1. Keep the UGF and add a filter.

2. Remove the UGF and set a reverse UGF up.

But since it is an established tank , I do not want to risk removing the UGF. So most viable option is to add another filter and pray for the best.

Other than that , I discovered a tiny black snail creeping around at night! I wouldn't have even noticed it but the tank lights were off and the ambient lighting in my room picked out an odd black ball like thing in the pristine white pebbles that I have. I was curious and watched it for a while. How the hell did it get in there any way? I got some duckweed the other week , could it have come with that? But I only noticed the one yesterday. I watched carefully and I am quite sure there is only one right now.

I don't mind some snails , they make the tank look natural. But will they harm my fish and become a problem?. I don't have any issues with their appearance , all I am worried about is my fish. I saw one of my Serpaes try to get at the snail but was unsuccessful. He kept watching it like a cat looks at a bird though:lol:
So should I leave the little fella in there? Killing him is not an option. I do have a small 4 Gall that I use as an emergency tank, should I put him in there?

Thanks again. Sorry for the incessant questions!
And yes, the tetra behaviour sounds pretty normal to me! :)

Is it just the Serpaes or is it the same with all tetras?. Most websites and boards say they are only aggressive to their own kind. Hopefully it is true.
 
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1. add filter...

and, if you want...

2. reverse the flow in the down-tube on the UGF.

just to clarify. :)

-Aaron
 
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