Abilor's Glass Cat Tank

Abilor

Certified Pisceal HydroTechnician
Nov 19, 2005
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[DISCLAIMER] THIS ENTRY IS LONG. I don't expect you to read it all. It's for my benefit as a journal more than anything, and keeping it here in public seems to get me extra-motivated. Thanks for any comments though.[/DISCLAIMER]

So I'm setting up my 29G as a glass cat tank. Some of you are already aware that this is my first little project I'm embarking upon, so consider this the "official" thread. Before getting into things, I'll just throw up a few pics so you can see where I'm at.

This is the tank now, on day 15 of cycling. You can obviously see that I've gone white cloudy, though you should have seen it before yesterday's 50%. The white cloudy water has really stressed me out, but after a lot of reading around here, I am putting up with it without altering the water at all except for 50% water changes every Tuesday and Friday (with chlorine neutralizer of course). The smell was a little rancorous, but is going down overall.

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My filter arrangement at the moment is this 50G penguin filter with biowheel, which has been on since the beginning of cycling, and the added 20G penguin biowheel I put on yesterday. The reason I added the 20G, besides extra filtering, is to have a cultured biowheel ready at any given moment for my 10G QT. I have been fairly careful about adding fish without LFS water, and acclimating them in a sidecar specimen tank with drips of my tank's water over an hour, but I want to QT the glass cats since the only place that has them is local Petsmart, not the classy LFS. Besides, I need to get serious about having a QT available at a moment's notice.

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The powerhead is to create currents for the cats at the mid-level, but not shooting across the entire tank. It creates a little area that my Danios appereciate zipping through. I also got this CO2 monitor to check my levels and decide how much extra CO2 I might need as a I add more plants.

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Here's the brazlian pennywort, meant to give some top cover, along with my java ferns that are strapped down to some cheese. The cheese is going to go when I get a nice fat piece of driftwood, probably an African piece, since I hear they don't need slate. Some java moss will help round that out hopefully. The anubia nana is crazy happy, and has gotten about 1/3 bigger since I got it.

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I've got three loaches, one seargeant major, and two yo-yos. They are staying after the glass cats move in, since they're my ground crew. They go nuts for this cave, which seems to be their base of operations. They hang out in it during the day, and return to it often at night. It may be the one piece of cheese I keep after I do some actual aquascaping. The driftwood in the back will also probably stay, but will be moved up front. I'm also planning on moving the cave to the back corner, where it will hold gravel behind it with some val. spiralis rooted in the thicker medium. May as well do something useful with such a big hunk of stuff if I keep it...

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These tetras are the big question mark for me. When the QT is established, I'm going to move everybody into it while I get the cheesy decorations out and add a lot more plants, including val. spiralis along the walls, the big-*** driftwood on the right with the ferns and some more moss attached, some dwarf water onions, a couple crypto undulatas, and some pistia (water lettuce) added to the top for a bit more cover. I'm going for val along the edges, some healthy but pruned plants up front, and plenty of swimming room in the middle.

After the aquascape project (once the water clears and the cycle is fully underway), the loaches are definitely coming back in, and the danios are definitely on their way out, grown and happy back to LFS. I worry that the danios' speed will flip out the glass cats. But do I keep the tetras? That's the question, and is a group of five enough to keep them happy? Some say yes, some say no, and both are adamant. Suggestions are appreciated. Budrecki also metioned the 2 - 5 otto's will help with algae, which I will probably do, after more reading.
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Love the tank, and am beginning to think that 99% of the fishkeeping community has that waterfall-cave ornament!!!!!
 
My nitrogen cycle has been weird from the beginning. I never registered an ammonia spike, and I didn't have a nitrite kit until day 7 (yes, bad), but those haven't tested positive at all since then. The only time I get ammonia is after a water change, and then it hangs at 0.25ppm before going down again. I suspect chloramines, but will find out monday, as well as switch to a chloramine neutralizer if it's true (currently using API stress coat as my conditioner - of course now I just read it and it says it neutralizes chloramines; mysterious). Nitrates were just turning positive the other day, but are now down at zero after the water change. Like I said, the cloudy water freaks me out, but I test daily, and so far no huge problems. I'm guessing I'm either doing well, or headed for disaster, but I'm preparing for disaster.

ANYWAY, TODAY'S CHEMISTRY REPORT (TCR):

pH 7.2
GH 150
KH 80 - 90 (I hate strips)
NH3 0.25
NO2 0
NO3 0
 
TCR
pH 7.0
NH3 0.0
NO2 0.0
NO3 0.0

How bout that, zeros across the board. My chemistry seems weirder and weirder.

Seriously, my ammonia, pH, and nitrate test are all maybe 2 years old. I think I will get new ones, because readings like this don't seem quite right, especially with cloudy water. Do test kits expire? Something I don't know?
 
Well, nobody is posting, but people are looking, so on with...
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Today's Chemistry Report!

It was an exciting day, since I got all new testing gear. I almost went with Sera stuff, since I like their heater so much, but settled for the cheesy fish in a labcoat stuff, except for a sera copper test. The levels continue to be interesting:

pH 7.2
GH 5 dGH
KH 5 dKH
NH3/4 0.5 ppm
NO2 0
NO3 0
Cu 0.0 (yay! my tap water is suitable for invertebrates so far!)

No nitrates for a couple of days, and the water is still looking like a dairy farm (and smelling like one too), so I'm guessing that I've got a long way to go in terms of cycling. I scrubbed the hell out of my old 10 gallon tank, so once the 20G biowheel is cultured, I can finally set up a decent QT to place the cats in. The local petsmart here has them regularly, so QT is more of a priority than ever.

On a related note, I called the water department here today. No chloramines are added to my tap, but pre-treatments with Chlorine Dioxode are supposedly leaving a slight residual of chlorites. Does my water conditioner take care of this? I hope so...

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Meanwhile, while buying new test gear at LFS, the local girl warned me emphatically against doing ANY water changes while my tank cycles. She said the the LFS has an overarching policy of frowning on water changes at all. This seems "old school" compared with my trusty freshwater manual, and from what I've read on these forums. Should I be right to doubt this advice? If your water looked and smelled like a vampire cow comes by in the night, wouldn't you do water changes?

Plantwise, my Dwarf anubia is still exploding along with the pennywort, but my javas are a cause for concern. They seem healthy, and their root system is spreading. They're even got little shoots growing at their tips, with new root systems, which I thought was promising. However, somebody is eating the new growth, which is fine, but the tips of the new growth are going black. My fiancee, the aquatic plant genius, says she is worried about fungus. This really depresses me, since the big problem with my last tank was billowing cottony fungus (due of course to how much I was overfeeding). This would be a black fungus though. Is fungus like kryptonite, coming in all kinds of flavors? BTW, these black patches are not normal java fern under leaf patches either, definitely of the "bad" variety.

Anyway, I know my entries are too wordy. Comes with writing for a living. I'll stop now. If you made it this far, thanks for checking the progress...
 
TCR

pH 7.0
NH3 .15
NO2 0
NO3 Test fouled; no reason to think it's not zero though since it always has been and I did another 50% water change.

I'm doing 50% changes on Tuesday and Friday now until the cloudiness resolves, since an abundance of reading and the wise words of daveedka posted elsewhere have pointed me to the fact that I'm inadvertently doing a live plant cycle. It explains my readings, and my cloudiness, like nothing else, so I'm grinning and bearing it as my substrate and biowheels culture s l o w l y, and the fish don't seem stressed at all. The water changes shouldn't hurt the process, will add trace elements to the plants, and besides, the seargeant major loach dances all day after his water change; how could I deny him his happy juju?

'til tomorrow.

P.S. If this level of detail is redundant, let me know, though I would have appreciated a detailed "newb" thread like this about common cloudiness problems myself...

Bueller?
 
Abilor said:
I think nobody's chiming in because you seem to be doing good. I don't have experience with plant cycling so I would have to defer to the knowledge of daveedka:
http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64301

One thing I learned VERY early was to NOT listen to my LFS. You get a lot of outdated advice from most of them. You're doing fine with your water changes.

What kind of glass cats are you getting? I have a couple of Three Striped African Glass Cats that came with a tank my friend gave me. They're pretty cool little fish. They're a little light-skittish and definitely prefer the shadowy areas.
 
Did the nice girl at the lfs tell you why they wanted you to ammonia- and nitrite-poison your fish? I can't think of any reason not to do water changes, but there are some reasons to do them, so keep them up. I am concerned that you have a lot of light on the tank at the moment with few plants in there. That could cause an algae problem before you get it cycled and fully planted.
 
Replies! Excellent...

Yeah, the water changes are doing well I think. I'm skipping daily chem reports just because I don't want to clog the thread with lots of those entries.

The cats I want to get are kryptopterus bichirris(sp?), as that's what they have locally at petsmart and LFS.

So far, there is a bit of algae that I can feel on a few surfaces, but no actual accumulation. I also am thinking about getting a few glass shrimp to go with this tank, or other fan shrimp, so a little algae may benefit them. If it gets out of hand though, steps will be taken.

I'll keep things updated as changes progress.
 
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