acclimation techniques.

Doh! Dumb me...never even thought using a friggin knot! I have this little plastic piece that was on a wood clamp. I just shove the tube in so far to get the kink I want. I'll use the knot today...that might be less hassle. ;o)

The clip...wonder if that would be like the things they use for IV drips?
 
This seems to be a fairly straightforward discussion of the subject, and a fairly simple way of dealing with it:

http://www.stingraysource.com/index.php?topic=9.0



Of course, this would only apply to fish that have been in a sealed bag for some time, making the pH/ammonia situation more dangerous than the potential shock of temperature change, etc.

It does raise the question, though... if the pH drop actually protects the fish in transit, and breather bags would prevent this by allowing gas exchange, are breather bags actually more dangerous than regular bags?

Here is further discussion/elaboration on that from MFK:
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5350&highlight=squirt+drop
And your question about the breather bags is one I have asked the manufacturers, yet they have still not answered despite me emailing several times.

Doh! Dumb me...never even thought using a friggin knot! I have this little plastic piece that was on a wood clamp. I just shove the tube in so far to get the kink I want. I'll use the knot today...that might be less hassle. ;o)

The clip...wonder if that would be like the things they use for IV drips?
Yes, very much so.


I have to tell you, I used to drip acclimate EVERYTHING, 1-2 drips per second until the volume was at least quadrupled. I had minor losses, but often while in acclimation the fish or invertebrates would get very pale and still (not surprising from the stressors of shipping).

Once I started getting things imported in large volume, it was just not realistic for me to drip acclimate 3000 fish or inverts. I consulted several other importers to hear their methods. Not ONE dripped, tehy all used plop and drop. I have minimal losses doing the plop and drop method. I just open the bag, squirt in a little prime, net out the critters and add them to the tank with lights out. They all even eat and color up almost immediately.

I think KarlTh had posted an informational thread somewhere here on AC about true acclimation to changes in hardness and TDS, etc and the myths of pH shift. I cannot find it of course.
 
I vote for Plop and drop in all but a few cases.

those being fish in very different water.. ie marine fish shipped in low sg acclimating to a much higher Sg
 
If they have been shipped and need to be drip acclimated, add Prime the minute you open the bag, put in a container deep enough, then drip.

When I get fish from shipped, I drop in a couple drops of Prime on bag open, dump the water in a small bucket and drip acclimate.

That certainly sounds like the best of both worlds. Not practical for folks importing hundreds of fish, but for the average hobbyist acclimating a few fish every now and then, it's probably the safest way.

your question about the breather bags is one I have asked the manufacturers, yet they have still not answered despite me emailing several times.

I guess I'm glad that it's not as silly a question as I originally thought. Too bad about the manufacturer not getting back to you. It seems that if they had a *good* answer you would have heard it by now, so my guess would be that the breather bags *can* make the ammonia build-up more toxic by not allowing the pH to drop. Now, whether low oxygen or ammonia toxicity is more dangerous, I have no idea.
 
no, probably not. Most of my stuff comes in from overseas so its important because they have been in there for awhile and I am usually just trying to get them out as soon as possible
 
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