Get a turtle! Mine love to eat little goldfish. (from a newbie and recent advocate of fishless cycling.)
Advantge of Fishless Cycling?
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ChilDawg,
Ahh, flooding...
Thats why we have the Winnipeg Floodway .
And here are some startling images of the 1997 flood.
Lotsa fresh water there
Ahh, flooding...
Thats why we have the Winnipeg Floodway .
And here are some startling images of the 1997 flood.
Lotsa fresh water there
RTR,
Thats, why I said thinking of
I prolly would consult with someone, like the city parks people, before doing that.
I would prefer doing that then taking them back to the LFS misery they came from.
I live in an apartment. Something bigger then my current 10 galon is too big. Due to being a novice and some LFS advice I got the 2 goldfish and used them for cycling. I know better now.
As much as I would like to keep them, I understand that just with those 2 the thank is overstocked, nevermind the 4 guppies that live with them. So the goldfishes should go somehwere else, but they have no where to go
Thats, why I said thinking of
I prolly would consult with someone, like the city parks people, before doing that.
I would prefer doing that then taking them back to the LFS misery they came from.
I live in an apartment. Something bigger then my current 10 galon is too big. Due to being a novice and some LFS advice I got the 2 goldfish and used them for cycling. I know better now.
As much as I would like to keep them, I understand that just with those 2 the thank is overstocked, nevermind the 4 guppies that live with them. So the goldfishes should go somehwere else, but they have no where to go
And to...
Inhumane? Uh... these are fish, not humans.
Don't Animal Rights wackos only get involved when the animal is cute and furry (or large enough... as in the case of whales)? Wrong website pal.
Anyway....
News Flash: MY NITRITES ARE AT 0 Yaaaaaaaaaaay!
Now all I have to do is get rid of these dang ugly feeders I threw in there
Inhumane? Uh... these are fish, not humans.
Don't Animal Rights wackos only get involved when the animal is cute and furry (or large enough... as in the case of whales)? Wrong website pal.
Anyway....
News Flash: MY NITRITES ARE AT 0 Yaaaaaaaaaaay!
Now all I have to do is get rid of these dang ugly feeders I threw in there
First of all, I'm not an animal rights wacko and I hope a moderator will warn you about personal attacks and slurs on these forums, especially on the newbie forum.
Also, I think YOU perhaps are at the wrong board if you think there is widespread support here for treating fish inhumanely. Humane treatment, incidentally, is that "marked by compassion, sympathy, or consideration for humans or animals" (Merriam-Webster Dictionary). Why do you think that wouldn't apply to fish?
The purpose of this newbie forum is give those who are new to fishkeeping and to AC a safe place to post and to learn about good fish husbandry practices. Treating fish humanely is part of our responsibility as good fishkeepers.
Jim
Also, I think YOU perhaps are at the wrong board if you think there is widespread support here for treating fish inhumanely. Humane treatment, incidentally, is that "marked by compassion, sympathy, or consideration for humans or animals" (Merriam-Webster Dictionary). Why do you think that wouldn't apply to fish?
The purpose of this newbie forum is give those who are new to fishkeeping and to AC a safe place to post and to learn about good fish husbandry practices. Treating fish humanely is part of our responsibility as good fishkeepers.
Jim
Luca Brazzi...Consider yourself warned. It is inappropriate to call someone names. You are advocating a rather poor treatment of fish. No one here will indicate that the life of a fish is more important than that of a human being. However, it is not a slight to human life to provide compassionate and caring attention to a non-human life, even if it isn't cute and fuzzy. To imply that fish of any kind are disposable is rude.
Spannah...It's a poor consideration. Stocking fish into waterways should be left to professionals. In many areas, what you are talking about (and even if you're just thinking about it, you're giving a bad idea to other people) is illegal and will be procescuted.
This thread is heading WAY off course. If it doesn't get back in line, it will be locked.
Spannah...It's a poor consideration. Stocking fish into waterways should be left to professionals. In many areas, what you are talking about (and even if you're just thinking about it, you're giving a bad idea to other people) is illegal and will be procescuted.
This thread is heading WAY off course. If it doesn't get back in line, it will be locked.
Yeah... whatever. 
Alright then... Animal Rights Activist... same thing.
The point remains the same, and it isn't off topic either. This thread was started by someone who was interested in cycling a tank using feeder fish. The discussion has been about what happens when you cycle with feeders (what to do with them afterwards, etc). Those that chose to voice their opposing opinions came here and jumped in of their own free will. If you dont like the fact that someone is cycling with feeders... fine voice your opinion or move on. However, I think that your position that people who buy feeders to feed their pets or cycle their tanks are rude, unthoughtful, and cruel is extremely weak, and hypocritical. If it weren't for ALL aquarists fish would not be killed by the thousands in transport from wherever it is they were caught to
the pet store, then to you, just so you could have a pet in your living room (these are NOT domesticated animals). If it weren't for ALL aquarist there would be no folks out there disturbing the natural ecosystems in the places where these fish come from just because they know they can make a couple of bucks selling them to us. If it werent for ALL aquarists there wouldnt be fish dealers who cross breed, inject with dye, and otherwise manipulate the natural form of these creatures just to turn a profit.
You see...
This is the hobby we have chosen!
If you TRULY cared about the overall well being of these animals they would ALL be left in the store (or public aquarium). So the demand for ALL of these fish would disappear, and they would be left in Lake Malawi, etc. where they belong.
We are all part of the same game.
For some of you, taking the anti-feeder side of this issue just helps you clear your conscious somewhat of the guilt you have for participating in this hobby. Its like someone who drives a huge 8-Cyclinder 1975 Cadillac calling someone who drives a 2002 SUV, an environmentally unfriendly gasguzzler. You think that someone who uses feeders to cycle their tank is contributing to the poor treatment of fish? Well if you own pet fish yourself, and you want to find the real culprit... you dont need to look here on this forum for a bad guy...all you need for that is a mirror.
You see... I realize that I'm the bad guy... and that allows me to be free of subconscious guilt.
The ONLY truly legitimate reasons, Ive heard so far for not using feeders to cycle your tank is that you open yourself up to the possiblity that your REAL fish will catch something from them, and it may take longer than fishless cycling.
Alright then... Animal Rights Activist... same thing.
The point remains the same, and it isn't off topic either. This thread was started by someone who was interested in cycling a tank using feeder fish. The discussion has been about what happens when you cycle with feeders (what to do with them afterwards, etc). Those that chose to voice their opposing opinions came here and jumped in of their own free will. If you dont like the fact that someone is cycling with feeders... fine voice your opinion or move on. However, I think that your position that people who buy feeders to feed their pets or cycle their tanks are rude, unthoughtful, and cruel is extremely weak, and hypocritical. If it weren't for ALL aquarists fish would not be killed by the thousands in transport from wherever it is they were caught to
the pet store, then to you, just so you could have a pet in your living room (these are NOT domesticated animals). If it weren't for ALL aquarist there would be no folks out there disturbing the natural ecosystems in the places where these fish come from just because they know they can make a couple of bucks selling them to us. If it werent for ALL aquarists there wouldnt be fish dealers who cross breed, inject with dye, and otherwise manipulate the natural form of these creatures just to turn a profit.
You see...
This is the hobby we have chosen!
If you TRULY cared about the overall well being of these animals they would ALL be left in the store (or public aquarium). So the demand for ALL of these fish would disappear, and they would be left in Lake Malawi, etc. where they belong.
We are all part of the same game.
For some of you, taking the anti-feeder side of this issue just helps you clear your conscious somewhat of the guilt you have for participating in this hobby. Its like someone who drives a huge 8-Cyclinder 1975 Cadillac calling someone who drives a 2002 SUV, an environmentally unfriendly gasguzzler. You think that someone who uses feeders to cycle their tank is contributing to the poor treatment of fish? Well if you own pet fish yourself, and you want to find the real culprit... you dont need to look here on this forum for a bad guy...all you need for that is a mirror.
You see... I realize that I'm the bad guy... and that allows me to be free of subconscious guilt.
The ONLY truly legitimate reasons, Ive heard so far for not using feeders to cycle your tank is that you open yourself up to the possiblity that your REAL fish will catch something from them, and it may take longer than fishless cycling.
OrionGirl,
I suggest you go back and read what I posted. I never mentioned dumping fish into waterways. I mentioned dumping fish into ponds.
I also said that before doing it I would consult with the people in charge of those ponds, so going on about it being illegal in some areas and prosecution is uncalled for.
And I beg to differ in your "lets not talk about it as not to give people ideas" opinion. It's like saying lets not talk about beginner mistakes because that may give people ideas.
I don't think that dumping fish into a pond or waterway is such a good idea anymore because I mentioned it in this thread and got good feedback from different people. I hope that others benefit from this information.
I suggest you go back and read what I posted. I never mentioned dumping fish into waterways. I mentioned dumping fish into ponds.
I also said that before doing it I would consult with the people in charge of those ponds, so going on about it being illegal in some areas and prosecution is uncalled for.
And I beg to differ in your "lets not talk about it as not to give people ideas" opinion. It's like saying lets not talk about beginner mistakes because that may give people ideas.
I don't think that dumping fish into a pond or waterway is such a good idea anymore because I mentioned it in this thread and got good feedback from different people. I hope that others benefit from this information.
Ponds are part of a water system. Flood levels introduce fish from one moving water into another moving water. It happens.
I understand that you won't, but I can gaurantee you that there are people who see half of the posts in a thread, and never check back. Sorry if you felt that you were making an innocent comment without any impact. This is something rather personal for me, because it's part of my job to deal with these issues.
Luca Brazzi...Being able to kill fish with a clear concious is nice, I'm sure. Hoever, you wouldn't appreciate it if we referred to you as a goldie murderer, would you? It's inappropriate to label someone based on one comment. There is a big difference between taking responsible care of fish, and deciding that they would have died anyway, so who cares.
I have no problem if you can provide tips regarding using a fish cycling method that reduces the exposure levels. If you want to make derogatory comments to people who disagree with you, there's a big problem.
That's strike two. Shall we go for three?
I understand that you won't, but I can gaurantee you that there are people who see half of the posts in a thread, and never check back. Sorry if you felt that you were making an innocent comment without any impact. This is something rather personal for me, because it's part of my job to deal with these issues.
Luca Brazzi...Being able to kill fish with a clear concious is nice, I'm sure. Hoever, you wouldn't appreciate it if we referred to you as a goldie murderer, would you? It's inappropriate to label someone based on one comment. There is a big difference between taking responsible care of fish, and deciding that they would have died anyway, so who cares.
I have no problem if you can provide tips regarding using a fish cycling method that reduces the exposure levels. If you want to make derogatory comments to people who disagree with you, there's a big problem.
That's strike two. Shall we go for three?
