Advice on Grey/Green Cloudy Water

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Need some advice on cloudy water issue...PH, Nitrate, Nitrite and Ammonia are all testing fine on a 55G South American Cichlid tank.

I tried keeping light off for few weeks, it seemed to subside some but not completely.

When I fed my pleco a piece of zucchini, it seemed to come back with vengance the next day. I tried treating with Algea Fix (2 doses withing the recommend 3 days ) and is not getting better.

I have a AquaClear Filter, capable of 70 gallons...Carbon changed within last 3 weeks. Have not changed sponge or biological lately...Due to severe water problems suffered awhile back. Used old sponge and bio to reintroduce "good bacteria" faster.

Any potential advice is greatly appreciated...
 
Probably to much phosphates in the tank caused by intense lighting, common flourecent lamps, or bad quality carbon. I had the same problem and couldn't rid it. For a very long time and tried and it never left or it came back.I think the only true way to rid it is to find out whats causing it. For me I picked up a cheap Jebo UV sterilizer of ebay for $33 and it cleared up within about 2 weeks of use. I've had it disconnected for 6 weeks now and I have no more free float algae in my water. I heard that magnum canister liters help as well but I have i'm not sure.
 
The dreaded green water...

Green water (what you're suffering from) can be tricky. I've had several battles with it myself. Here are some options that will fix the problem. All have their merits and drawbacks:

1. Bleach. Remove your fish. Pour bleach into your tank. Wait 15 minutes. Algae is dead. The problem with this method is that everything is now dead, most importantly your biological filter. Thus, if you use this method, properly dechlorinate, then foolishly return your fish immediately (as I've done), you're placing your beloved fish into an uncycled tank. I've used this method with some success on an overstocked goldfish tank, but it is not something I would recommend.

2. Filter. To my knowledge, the only filters capable of removing suspended algae are diatom filters. I have a Vortex diatom filter myself, and the thing is just amazing. It still surprises me how quickly the thing cleans up my 90g after the occasional outbreak. Drawbacks? Initially, price. You gotta buy the thing. Cleanup is also a bigtime hassle. Lots of websites will warn you about this, and it's even worse than they suggest. If your tank is large, like mine, it may take three 1.5 hour runs of the filter to clear it up. That means 3 times spent cleaning out the filter (which takes anywhere from 5 to 15 minutes, but is really messy and obnoxious). Plus, you really haven't solved the real problem, which leads me to number 3...

3. Solve the real problem. I've seen lots of suggestions as to what leads to green water. There is actually spirited debate over it, but it basically comes down to two things: too much light or a chemical imbalance (nitrates and phosphates are the usual suspects). Unless you fix whatever is causing your algae bloom, it will keep coming back. Again. And again. And again. How long are your tank lights on every day? 12 hours? Then try 8 or 10. As long as there is a reasonable amount of ambient light in the room the fish don't need them anyway. What is your water change schedule like? Maybe you need to change more (this is almost certainly my issue when green water creeps up on me). How much filtration do you have in the tank? Maybe you need to add more. The more you turn that water over every hour, the better (for a 55 gallon, you should probably be filtering a minimum of 150 or 200 gph)! The drawback to this method? It requires a tremendous amount of patience! Your green water will not disappear right away. However, I assure you, if you fix the root of the problem, your water will end up crystal clear.

If money isn't an issue, give your tank the ol' #2 followed by the ol' #3. If money is an issue, just cut those lights back a bit and increase your water changes. I have a 90g stocked with two Oscars, a Jack Dempsey, and a Plecostamus. If I don't keep up on maintenance, green water is guaranteed. You say you have S.A. Cichlids, so I suspect you have some big fish as well.

I certainly haven't listed ALL of the options, only the ones I have personal experience with. Perhaps someone else can shed some light on UV sterilizers, though I've heard those can be quite expensive and problematic.

One final note: have no fear, green water is totally harmless! Your fish don't care. I'm actually pretty sure my Jack Dempsey preferred it...

Hope this helps, and best of luck!

Cheers.

-sj
 
Thanks for the advice...So looks like I have multiple options:

1. UV Sterilizer - Heard both good and bad things. Just did a major water change (50%) so concerned that it may kill of good bacteria also. Any feedback is appreciated?

2. Bleach - Great to know, unfortunately I have a heavily stocked tank and concerned about losing fish during cycle period

3. Vorted Diatom Filter - Money is not necessarily issue. Looked at LFS in area and none carried. Where can I find one?

Any other info on the Magnum Canister would be appreciated...

THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP!

Larry

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My Tank:

1 - Purple Chocolate Cichlid (3")
1 - Salvani (2")
1 - Texas Cichlid (3")
1 - Jack Dempsey (3")
1 - Jurapari (8")
1 - Blood Purple Parrot Fish (3")
1 - South American Eel (4")
1 - Common Pleco

Will need bigger tank soon...More ammunition to convince my wife to relase funds ;-)
 
The only bads about UV sterilizers are that they can weaken your fishes abilty to fight off disease because it kills off most disease in the water, but humans do the same so why not do it for our fish? the other bad is that you have to carefull about certain chemicals, such as copper I believe, once ran through the sterilizer it turns it into a deadly poison. But overall it wa well worth it, my green water has never returned. Pretty sure they may be a few more negs. Not sure.
 
I purchased my Vortex on Ebay. I have never seen one in a fish store.
If you do go the diatom filter route, don't waste money buying "charges" online. All they contain is diatom powder, and you can get a cheap, enormous bag of the stuff at any pool supply store.

Xhibition has, to my (very limited) knowledge, hit on the primary problem with UV sterilizers. They kill indiscriminantly. Anything good or bad flowing through them is a target. I wouldn't be too worried about bacteria, as 99% of your beneficial bacteria is going to reside on your decorations, gravel, and filter pads. Water changes, UV sterilizers, and anything similar that only touches the water column shouldn't affect your colonies.

Just to reiterate, though, anything I say about UV sterilizers should be taken with a grain of salt, as I have never tried this method in one of my tanks.

Cheers.

-sj
 
I don't like UV sterilisers to fix green water because you kill the algae so it rots to nitrate and forms more algae elsewhere.

Could be too much phosphate, or bad quality tapwater. Normally I'd say up the water changes, and get rid of the excess nutrient, but if you're tapwater is dodgy tht might not help

How deep is your gravel, how often do you gravel hoover, how often do you change water.

No matter what your nitrate test is telling you, green water says excessive nutrients in the water.
 
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