African Dwarf Frog help. FUNGUS?????

[cherrypie]

No, they are fully aquatic. They do not ever leave the water. An African Dwarf frog is a very different species that other frogs. Read the article I wrote, it's linked in my signature, if you're interested. They breathe atmospherically, but they do not/cannot leave the water to do so.

Well if you read carefully what you wrote before "Frogs are fully aquatic" you can understand why I took that as a blanket statement. I'm guessing it was one of those moments where your head is thinking faster than your fingers are typing and something doesn't come out right (I get that all the time)...

So the African dwarf is a 100% water frog, that does make the treatment a little harder, pretty much leaves trying to get something on the site at a fairly high concentration or dosing the water as the only viable options. It's a really a nasty situation because pretty much all the regular aquarium antifungals are so **** toxic.

 

[jtruswell]

In my 10 gal that contains my frogs I keep a level of 2tsp of salt for that tank just for prevention and my frogs are quite happy in that particular solution (albeit not sick, so...)

I love salt as a solution, but given that it looks as though she's a bit farther past that, I agree with the others that you should try some other treatments. Can't reccomend any, though, sorry. I've only ever had two sick frogs (they died of red leg. It was horrible.).

But IMO you can still add salt. Something I read (that I think makes a lot of sense) is that fish (and other aquatic fauna) have to work to keep their osmosis under of control since the waters around them don't contain as many solutes, so water is 'attracted' into their bodies. When you add the salt, it gives them a bit of a break so that they don't have to work so hard to fight against the osmosis, just to lower their stress level. I think that the frogs could probably tolerate *up to* a tablespoon in your 5 gal, but add it slowly as watch that they don't start acting even more sick.

A bit off topic, sorry, but I thought it was funny that you said your frogs were voracious. Mine barely seem to notice the food but I know they eat (especially my female! She's a pretty good size!) Do they shoot up to catch the food as it falls in to the water? And what do you feed them that they take some much interest in? Sorry, but I just love my frogs and I think it would be awesome to see them in action like that!

Best of luck and I hope she gets better!

Jade

 

[mduros]

A bit off topic, sorry, but I thought it was funny that you said your frogs were voracious. Mine barely seem to notice the food but I know they eat (especially my female! She's a pretty good size!)

I hardly ever see one of my frogs eating or otherwise. But my other one is a little monster. It's hysterical, he knows I'm feeding the upper level fish. He continuously pushes himself into the front of the aquarium at gravel level. When I throw in the wafers for the bottom feeders, I always break a couple of wafers up. He's right there fighting the other fish for it. It doesn't matter, loaches, pleco, ram (he loves that stuff) he's throwing himself at them, on top of them and will sprawl out on top of the food to try to keep the others from it. That never really works out too well. He's a good size and very pushy for an aquatic frog. And don't worry, he's not desperate or starving, I've had him for a long time, he just loves to eat, is fearless and has a real competitive edge.
Take care,
Mary.

 

[jtruswell]

Replying to mduros (and off topic...sorry) my pleco will do that big time, but my frogs never seem to take notice. Actually I wish I could take a picture (but cr*ppy camera) of my pleco, Al, guarding his food. His pushes away all the other fish. In fact I've seen him hording two wafers at once! lol

Crazy fish....

Jade

 

[Titleist]

A bit off topic, sorry, but I thought it was funny that you said your frogs were voracious. Mine barely seem to notice the food but I know they eat (especially my female! She's a pretty good size!) Do they shoot up to catch the food as it falls in to the water? And what do you feed them that they take some much interest in? Sorry, but I just love my frogs and I think it would be awesome to see them in action like that!

Best of luck and I hope she gets better!

Jade

My frogs are pigs. I placed a small exo terra dish and buried it flush with the gravel.

Here's a crappy pic of the corner of the tank with the bowl:

I drop either pellets or bloodworms straight into it with a plastic syringe and tube. A few taps on the tank and they all come out and head straight for the bowl. I'm sometimes worried they may pop because one ends up scarfing the other frog's share.

Thanks for the well wishes btw. I'm gonna see if salt improves anything over the next coupe of days and if not, i'll get a quarantine tank and buy some maroxy.

 

[jtruswell]

Thanks, Titleist. I'll have to try that.

Oh, I meant to mention it before, because I was scr*wed by it, but I wanted to make sure you knew that Melafix was just watered down Tea Tree oil (which is at least 10-15 times cheaper than buying the watered down cr*p). I found that out only after buying a nice big bottle for a nice big price. Stupid thing is, I HAVE tea tree oil that I use for myself. Apparently it's also good for fish! lol

Just wanted to let you know so you don't fall victim to the same marketing ploy I did.

Jade

 

[Titleist]

After a couple days of salt and melafix...the white spot seems to have opened up. I don't know whether that is good or not, but it hasn't spread or anything. I can see a bit of skin where the spot was so maybe that's a good thing. It is a bit raw but isn't red and her eyes are still a little hazy, but no signs of being lethargic. Actually, her appetite seems to be improved today. I couldn't find maroxy...only pimafix so i am dosing that along with salt and melafix. Just in case, I broke down the tank and cleaned everything with hot water. The gravel is completely clean and i am recycling it with bio-spira along with the established bio wheel.(worked great the first time...tank cycled in a little over 24 hours).

Tank:

Food dish:

Dinner Time:

 

[SpitRhyma]

MELAFIX WILL KILL YOUR FROGS!!!

DO NOT USE MELAFIX FOR AFRICAN DWARF FROGS!!!

I dosed my tank with just under the minimal ammount of melafix for a 55g tank and before I knew it my frogs got skinny like tooth picks.

Then I threw in a crayfish/crawfish forgetting to consider their compatibility with the AD frogs and 1 got a foot and hand pinched off... I took the crayfish out and returned him and put my frog in a clean betta bowl (w/o the betta obviously) and added melafix/pimafix as instructed to by a petshop dude (who is generally quite informed) and after 3 days of not eating my frog died.

My room temp doesn't drop below 70 and I have managed to keep my other frogs alive in a bowl for a long time...

I'm never gonna expose my frogs to that medicine again... I hope you don't either...

 

[-KT-]

This thread is almost 2 years old...

 

[Lupin]

This thread is almost 2 years old...

At least, he has forewarned Melafix users of the consequences based on his experience. I never kept frogs but I read a similar situation like his before.