Africans and Bottom Feeders

Channels get close to the size of both the fish I mentioned also rasing one of them is an investment since any lfs will trade alot of credit for either any good sized exotic cat the last red tail I raised to 15"+ got me 150.00 store credit much better than a channel will ever do. Also they will live w/ africans no problem either of the fish I mentioned is very hardy and can live in almost any tank in my experences having keept them w/ africans & Americans. Not that my method is better than your just works better for me.
 
Its just called good aquarium husbrandry... you dont buy fish that will get too large for your tank only to 'trade them in'. Because then what? What person has a tank large enough to house a 15" red tailed catfish? Hardly anyone! They'd have to go to a public aquarium or something. So basically, by buying these large fish, your sending them to thier death. Its selfish of you to raise them up just to get store credit for them. :(

And whats worse than that, is keeping them in water conditions, temperature, etc that is not natural for them.

ALSO, grayslim, raising fish in a tank full of other aquarium fish and then releasing them into the wild is probebly one of the worst things aquarium keepers can do. Aquarium fish have diseases and parasites that are deadly to fish, but they can withstand them having been raised for generations in aquariums. You put a channel cat in your tank... it picks up some of these ailments... and then you put it back in the wild. Just imagine what could happen... whole populations of fish could be wiped out by foriegn diseases. I'm not saying its likely to happen, but in this day and age we all need to be EXTREMELY careful of how we treat the environment.

-Diana
 
Diana you dont know what your talking about Redtail cats love living with cichlids there messy they leave plenty of food in the bottom of the tank and how do you know how big my tank is or was when I had my last red tail it was in a 200gal tank and I never had any problems w/ it ever I just had to get rid of the tank. Anyhow I love these fish and raise them up till they out grow my tank then send them back to the lfs the one I usally trade my fish to has many HUGE tanks currently they still have the redtail I traded them a few years ago w/ an arrowana in a 400gal tank I am sure its un happy wtf is you problem are you a peta member or what
 
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ALSO, grayslim, raising fish in a tank full of other aquarium fish and then releasing them into the wild is probebly one of the worst things aquarium keepers can do. Aquarium fish have diseases and parasites that are deadly to fish, but they can withstand them having been raised for generations in aquariums. You put a channel cat in your tank... it picks up some of these ailments... and then you put it back in the wild. Just imagine what could happen... whole populations of fish could be wiped out by foriegn diseases. I'm not saying its likely to happen, but in this day and age we all need to be EXTREMELY careful of how we treat the environment.

-Diana
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Seeing how I own the pond I can do whatever I want with it and put whatever I want in it. I already have put farmraised channel cats from a pond stocking place. What makes catfish from a pond stocking place any different than aquarium raised catfish. The ones from pond stocking suppliers are probably more likely to have disease than aquarium raised fish.
 
Flowerhorn916 said:
Diana you dont know what your talking about Redtail cats love living with cichlids there messy they leave plenty of food in the bottom of the tank and how do you know how big my tank is or was when I had my last red tail it was in a 200gal tank and I never had any problems w/ it ever I just had to get rid of the tank. Anyhow I love these fish and raise them up till they out grow my tank then send them back to the lfs the one I usally trade my fish to has many HUGE tanks currently they still have the redtail I traded them a few years ago w/ an arrowana in a 400gal tank I am sure its un happy wtf is you problem are you a peta member or what
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Firstly, i never said anything about red tails living with cichlids.. where you saw that i have no idea :huh:. I dont care how big your tank is.... its probebly gotta be over 2000 gallons to properly house a full grown red tailed catfish. My local Aquarium has one in a HUGE tank and even that is noticeably small for this species.

Grayslim, keeping them in your outdoor pond is fine, but extreme care should be taken to never let those fish enter local waterways.

You guys seem to not understand something here.... this is a forum where people come to get GOOD advice on keeping fish. As aquarium keepers you can do whatever you want... but stay away from here if your gonna give people advice like keeping red tailed cats in thier 55 gallon cichlids tanks. People come on here and browse these forums... and get ideas. They might not know how big these fish get, and see someone suggest it, and go out and do it. I dont care what you do with your fish, but dont come on here and suggest it to others who may not know any better. :rolleyes: :OT:

-Diana
 
Why is trading a large fish to a LFS certain death? Wouldnt it be helping the fish out by providing it with a large tank for the time-being + the chance to be purchased by someone who will provide it with the correct habitat. The large fish I trade and see traded in are in most cases re-sold to aquarium hobbyists that know what they are doing, not many other people would pay the large price tag associated with larger mature fish.
 
In most cases large fish that get traded do go to good homes with adaquate tank sizes... but in the case of the red tailed catfish there are very few people with private aquariums that would be large enough to hold an adult-sized fish. I couldnt believe the size of them when I saw one in person. I just cant believe they are still sold as aquarium fish. :(

People who keep them in smaller tanks see them grow 'large' and then die, thinking they have died of old age. When in fact, probebly a good portion of the time they have died because the tank was just too small for them.

I mean, can you just imagine the size of tank this guy would need?
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-Diana
 
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Nevermind the fact that they get too big for the average person to properly take care of and will eventualy need to be gotten rid off one way or another, at a surprisingly small size they will be able to eat every african in the tank. If you are going to keep the channel cats, atleast keep them by there self. Also the waste that they produce will need a strong filter and lots of water changes to keep up with.
 
Another point is the different water chemistry and diets of africans (which I am sure you are aware of)... mbuna are vegetarian and channel cats are not. Feeding mbuna proper foods will not allow the channel cats to get thier proper diet.... and vice versa.


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-Diana
 
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