Alternative to Azoo Regulator?

Again, thanks so much for the information. Just to let you know I've finally made my decision. A little background first...

Primarily I wanted a simple 24/7 pressurized CO2 system (similar to DIY) that I could set and forget. That meant a high quality regulator and needle valve, regardless of the cost. I knew I wasn't going to get away with a cheap $30 regulator as some have done. This requisite led inexorably to two choices: Red Sea or Azoo. These two brand name regulators stood out in both professional reviews and user comments as being the easiest to use and the most reliable. Either regulator would do the job, but which to choose?

Ultimately I decided to go with the Red Sea Paintball Regulator. I made my decision based on initial cost and convenience

At $99 the Red Sea regulator is more expensive than the Azoo ($71). In fairness the Azoo includes a solenoid, adding to its value, but it is a feature that I would never use. However despite the difference in cost the cylinders these two regulators use tips the balance in favor of the Red Sea brand. The Red Sea uses a 20 oz. Paintball cylinder that costs about $30 ($27 online). The Azoo on the other hand is a standard regulator that uses standard cylinders, the smallest of which is 5 lbs. A 5 lbs. cylinder will last almost a year but costs anywhere between $50 - $80, and there's no guarantee a local welding shop will even have one which means you may be forced into a larger more expensive tank. This puts the initial (startup) cost for the Red Sea regulator at a distinct advantage over the Azoo.

I also weighed the convenience of getting my bottle refilled at Wal-Mart (which there are two within three miles of me) versus locating a used CO2 cylinder, locating food-grade CO2 for refills, and not knowing where those sources might be in relation to me. They might be down the block, they might be in the next town, and I really don't want to have to search. Frankly I'm just more comfortable knowing that there's a retail location where I can buy CO2 like I buy milk... in fact I might pick up some milk while I'm there. That's a huge plus in my book

So that's what it boiled down to for me; Cost, comfort and convenience. I guess you could call it the "three C's".. "four C's" if you include CO2. The few extra bucks that I'll pay for refilling the smaller cylinder is likely not going to exceed the amount of money I spend on mints at the checkout aisle each year. And the 20 oz. bottle will last long enough for it not to be a hassle or an inconvenience.
 
Just further food for thought: Rex Grigg is well known to the hobby and builds and sell regulators. Check out his website www.rexgrigg.com
even if you continue whith what you have decided, there is good info there. They only way to reach him is from the submit comments link on the bits of wisdom page, but he answers readily. I got a regulator complete with an antidumping valve, and ready to plumb to run 2 tanks. I'm only running one with CO2 now, but wanted to have the option to run 2, and he included the extra equipment and told me how to add it.
You can buy the pieces from him and build your own, or he will build it for you. I chose the latter option due to technical inexperience :p:


Also...be sure to get brass antireflux valves to keep water backing up your tubing, and get a good grade of CO2 resistant tubing. Clippard is a good brand. If you use the silicone stuff you will still loose CO2 through it.


I bought a 5 lb tank off ebay with a current inspection. It was easy to locate a source to fill it, just open the phone book to the yellow pages under "gas". It's not like you are going to be running over all the time to get it filled. Medical gas, food gas and fire extingushier gas places all have CO2. I even found a place that would sell me a pre filled tank and swap it out when it needed filled just like the grill tank folks.
My brother in law had a big cylinder to fill his kids paintball guns, and he filled my tank the first time for free. He had gotten it from a friend that has a fire extinguisher business.
 
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After trying out the new needle valve for the Milwaukee regulator, the results were the same. There was a big accident after I wrote the 1st post. I lost a lot of fish and I was highly upset about it. It's obvious this regulator is busted.

But I have to say in all fairness that Milwaukee's Rep., Mr. Bryan Moore, is such a nice man. After I explained what had happened, he offered to send me a new replacement regulator for FREE! (the warranty had already expired) All I have to do is return the defective one.

Excellent customer service, AAA + in my book.


Lissette
 
Aquabum I'm sorry to hear about the accident. I feel bad for you but now I'm even more glad that I didn't go with the Milwaukee regulator.

As an update to my own situation my Red Sea Regulator (Delux kit) arrived today! As was mentioned this is the one for Paintball cylinders.

The kit was about $160 including shipping (from www.dtpetsupplies.com). I purchased a 20 oz. Paintball cylinder at Walmart for $26 and had a local sporting goods store fill it for $3. In total <$190.

I have to say this is a sweet little kit! From the time the kit arrived in the mail I had it unpacked, setup and running at 1 bubble per second in just about 20 minutes. My only complaint so far is that the intake to the needle valve is actually part of the knob so as you turn the knob you twist the tubing coming from the regulator. If there is sufficient force as the tubing untwists it will slowly open or close the valve (depending on direction). I noticed this after I noticed the bubble rate had shot way up (to about 4 - 5 per second). I quickly realized what had happened and reattached the tubing so that it would not be twisted at the setting I had the valve dialed in to. An hour later the bubble rate is perfectly stable.

$190 seems like a lot. And, Yes, you can save a lot of money by buying all the parts separately. But nothing could be more convenient than this kit. It comes with everything you need including a bubble counter, needle valve and a very nice vortex-style power reactor and the quality is superb. Most importantly you don't have to fiddle with anything. The Red Sea kit does seem to be the ultimate set-it-and-forget it choice for pressurized CO2.
 
Thanks for the kind thoughts. You're sweet.:)

I'm really happy to see that you're delighted with the Red Sea product. Wish I had the bread to afford one. I love the set it and forget it method. You made a great choice.

There may be a silver lining to my problem. Milwaukee is sending me a brand new Regulator (with solenoid, and bubble counter), which I should be receiving this Thursday (Finally!). The new needle valve didn't work out (duh, like I said before). I hope that the new regulator was tested before they shipped it out.


Lissette

P.S. The Vortex Reactor is a definite plus with the Red Sea Regulator. I missed that part. Now I really love it.
 
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