:silly: show me the money!!!
this is one thing that even if all the right parameters need to be met... and the likelyhood equates to nearly impossible... it's still not worth the risk, imo. anything that can happen, eventually will...
any industry so riddled with secrecy should not be allowed to have and/or harness such power. :drool: like the evening news... or government weapons technology...
i, personally want the truth... not what i want to hear. truth holds no secrets... or surprises!
ok... so they can recycle old nuclear weapons... but they should have never been made in the first place... and there's still the issue of waste buildup with the potential to eradicate almost all planetary lifeforms known to man. just like the thought that "saving the extra fish empowers the company to continue selling sick fish", recycling nuclear weapons might just be an excuse to make more... when in fact we've not yet figured a way to rid ourselves of reactive material completely... just reduce it to a different reactive material... and bury it. brilliant minds at work.................. :footinmouth: ........... every material known to man has a finite life ...... what if life on earth outlives the finite life of those containers??????????? hmmmm... thinkers, sigh..... thought it out, have they?
roaches don't do so well in the wrong temps. enough nuclear energy to wipe out our entire civilization (which has recently become one global entity) surely would have effect on our climate, no?
cow flatulence can be dealt with, re-claimed and used. we just have to be willing. :uhoh: burn it or breathe it... it's our choice... :grinyes:
green roofs can be incorporated. the price has to be right.mg:
ground temps can be utilized. the price has to be right. :22_yikes:
solar lighting can be utilized. the price has to be right.
rain barrels can be used. the price has to be right. :idea:
green materials can be used. the price has to be right. :shakehead:
air can be cleaned with plants... and they do a better job than a filter. the price has to be right. :cry:
etc., etc., etc. ... the price has to be right, etc. ....
for the price to be right, anything we can do has to be done... on a scale that makes economical doable. :wall: we all have to get on-board. :hang:
it's going to be a while before we're doing our part as a whole. we'll probably find out the hard way...
reality is usually harsher than fantasy...
maybe i'm a little loopy... :screwy:
Travis you still seem unable to accept the fact that eventually the earth will do us alot worse than we're doing ourselves. And since you lied and aren't really done with this thread like you said you were, I will tell you that if you mindlessly chant the same the same mantra over and over again you sound like a Borg. It's a bit disingenuous to get upset if someone calls you one!Well, i hate to say this, because it means earth is pretty much screwed, but your right. 1 of 2 things WILL happen, maybe both, before humans can start to change:
1) A massive disaster on the scale of a yellowstone eruption or a hurrican hitting new york or the north/south ice caps completrly falling into the sea and the water destroying all our costal cities.
2) we make being green economically possible for the advarage joe.
and of course option 3: Humans just wipe ourselves out and spare the earth out idiocy...
And i agree, nuclear weapons should never have been made, but they were, so we have to live though it. If nuclear war breaks out then we will have much bigger issues then global warming or climat change or whatever you want to call it. We'll be to buisy dealling with fallout and a nuclear Ice Age to care about "global warming".
I've been thinking (dangerous for me) amd daydreaming (was that math class???) and maybe humans have our own natural limiter. We're agressive. When there are to many of us in to litytle a space, disputes will break out, and they tend to lower the population a little, reducing the stress and agression. They also kill off the ones who are agressive and leave the cowards and wimps behind (the meek will rule the earth!) which then reduces the likely hood of war. And of course, most weak or meek people are smart, and can work together, after all their used to it. So maybe war is humankinds natural or evolved limitor, reset button, whatever. Its not pretty, but very few things in the world are. Just wanna see what you guys think about that one, bit again, no PMing me.
Travis you still seem unable to accept the fact that eventually the earth will do us alot worse than we're doing ourselves. And since you lied and aren't really done with this thread like you said you were, I will tell you that if you mindlessly chant the same the same mantra over and over again you sound like a Borg. It's a bit disingenuous to get upset if someone calls you one!
Fishfriend1 said:but IMHO, a good dictator who considers his people important would be the best kind of leader. Democracies can't decide, Republics take to long, Communism's are to complex, and monarchies are to self centered. But a Dictatorship that cares for its people, that would work, and would work well.
:thumbsup: well saidThe unfortunate part of this whole thread is that people are getting upset with differences of opinion. If just this thread can be so polarizing, how much more so are countries and scientists? I don't believe for a single second that any of the posters in this thread are educated enough in a particular discipline to state unequivocally that the cause is either A,B, or C. Why does it need to be as polarizing as politics and that the truth can't be somewhere in the middle?
One of our greatest failings as a species is that like any other, anomalies are hard to both accept and explain that will make everyone happy. Sometimes the truth is obscured beyond our ability to find it.
I don't begrudge you your beliefs but I think you need to keep them in perspective. After all with one's beliefs and a quarter one can make a phone call. But belief won't get one the quarter. And unless one knows the right number to dial the quarter is wasted.Just because i chant it over and over again doesn't make it wrong...
Big woop, earth will do to us worse then we're doing to it (can you refrase that if im getting it wrong), that doesn't matter. And i do not believe it. I believe that it we take care of earth, it will take care of us. Earth suffers, we suffer, earth does well, we do well. Thats what I believe.
I agree wholeheartedly Jeff. I don't pretend to know all of the facts but I do know a few. I think Wesleydnunder put it best. The world's climate has changed in the past with devastating results. It will change again with or without our help. And unless we can adapt to the changes we will die as a species. Unless someone can refute these three facts logically I'm done posting in this thread. Watch and see what integrity looks like Travis.The unfortunate part of this whole thread is that people are getting upset with differences of opinion. If just this thread can be so polarizing, how much more so are countries and scientists? I don't believe for a single second that any of the posters in this thread are educated enough in a particular discipline to state unequivocally that the cause is either A,B, or C. Why does it need to be as polarizing as politics and that the truth can't be somewhere in the middle?
One of our greatest failings as a species is that like any other, anomalies are hard to both accept and explain that will make everyone happy. Sometimes the truth is obscured beyond our ability to find it.