Amazon River Disaster & Global Warming Facts
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well thats a crappy outlook.
Tell that to all those poor fish and animals that will be wiped out before this is over! By by great barrier reef. By by African Ciclids. By by tropical fish. By by pretty much anything thats not
A)invasive
B)Ugly and hardy like common goldfish and catfish
C)anything thats just unlucky enuff to be in an area they can escape from (like ciclids and fish from a lake thats drying up, they can't adapt to living on land, can they?)
The biggest issue i have with that outlook is what about all those other critters that can't adapt? When they all die what will we do then? Wish we had saved them, maybe, or forever hate our ancestor for allowing this to happen. Normally, creatures can adapt, but because of human invention the process has sped up, and evolution and adaptation just cannot keep up.
Lets compare adaptation to a car. Adaptation is a minivan, the speed at which things are changing is a rocket, and its catching up fast. WHen the two collide, everything will fall apart.
Adapt or Die is not a feasible solution right now, because very few things can adapt as fast as we destroy them. Trees in the Amazon can adapt to grow faster in the short time we give them before we chop them down. Corals in the Great Barrier Reef cannot adapt as fast as the oceans rise and change in balance, nor can they outrun an oil spill or ton of tourists. Earth was not designed for humans, we are like a virus, destroying it slowly at first, but as we grow strong we destroy it faster. And when it dies, we will be forced to find something else to infect, or die with it.
Unless your proposing we let earth fall apart around us, you have some kind of flawed logic.
Extinction of a species is the rule. Things happen and the earth changes. Adapt or die isn't "feasible"? How do you feel about the feasibility of gravity? I'm saying that instead of spending our effort trying to stop something that we can't stop that we'd be better off trying to learn to adapt to it. All those other species you talk of will have to adapt or die as well. If they don't they're sol. Just like every species that evolved and became extinct before the dinosaurs evolved, and of course before we did.
Everyone's a critic. It's easy to interject rhetoric-based philosophy into a discussion but who is really walking the walk? It's easy to point fingers but in reality we are all slaves to the kind of world that we've created.
It's nice to want to change things, but how committed are we really? It's easy to get all huffy and puffy on an online forum about how the earth is being destroyed, yet I don't know a single person who would approve of having their local fossil fuel powered electricity plant shut down until something more earth-friendly is created.
It's nice to want to change things, but how committed are we really? It's easy to get all huffy and puffy on an online forum about how the earth is being destroyed, yet I don't know a single person who would approve of having their local fossil fuel powered electricity plant shut down until something more earth-friendly is created.
I get that creatures go extinct, but with us humans here wiping them out left and right and super speeding the changes, most species can't keep up with something like that. What i think we should do is try to prepare earth and lessen the total damage of what will come. Try to preserve species we think won't make it due to human actions, try to save as many creatures as we can, especially the ones that we have had a big part in destroying or harming. Earth will survive, with or without humans, but because we're here we have changed the normal cycle of earth. We have mixed species that should not have been mixed, even gone so far as to create entire new species like house cats and domesticated dogs. Because of our involvement we have done damage that may be irreparable. Because of the things we have destroyed, the rainforests, the oceans, the forests in the north, all of which we have destroyed in our endless need to explore and expand, the earth is not as stable and self correcting as it was 65 million years ago, 10 thousand years ago, 500 years ago, 10 years ago. As we weaken earth we threaten to overwhelm species that would otherwise be doing fine and adapting well to the earths natural cycle. A great many creatures that would otherwise be able to flee the worsening conditions are now unable to, due to human cities and highways and railroads and farms are now in the way. Before we started doing this, creatures were more widespread and more mobile, but now out cities and infrastructure have restrained them to areas we don't want. Without that mobility and widespreadedness these creatures that would others just move out of the way are now trapped in uninhabitable conditions. Because of human expansion, animals cannot migrate away from the danger, they are forced to adapt to it, and many just can't do it as fast as they need to. Some can, of course, life WILL go on, but it will far less diverse and stable then it was 500 years ago or 5 thousand.
All in all, humans should try to undo as much of the damage we are responsible for as possible, so that the things we aren't directly responsible for don't do more damage then they should.
i would, but then again, the local power-plant is nuclear, so technically more earth friendly then a true fossil fuel. I recycle, I try to use NRG efficient lights and stuff, but its hard to do that when you don't have a ton of money and all that NRG efficient stuff is expensive. If it was cheaper I would be able to afford to be more ecofriendly, but until i get a good solid job (not just mowing lawns and shoveling snow), im stuck with what my mom can afford, and her jobs not to stable either...
That was my entire point, we all make concessions and justifications based on what we consider priority, which contradicts the emphasis and emotion imposed in threads like these.
Saving the earth is important enough for people to argue about on a forum but not important enough to pedal a bike to work.
spirit lake
I have read recently about Spirit lake near mount st Helens. Apparently, there are some large fish in there. The rangers think people may be stocking them but, some are likely natural.
I am curious as to how these dried lakes will repopulate and how the species composition will change. Maybe there will be a dominance of mud puppies!
pepe
I have read recently about Spirit lake near mount st Helens. Apparently, there are some large fish in there. The rangers think people may be stocking them but, some are likely natural.
I am curious as to how these dried lakes will repopulate and how the species composition will change. Maybe there will be a dominance of mud puppies!
pepe
I agree completely. It amuses me no end to hear the rants of people who are all to eager to tell others what concessions they should make. The location of my house was dictated on being close enough to work to walk. I use renewable fuel sources (wood and passive solar) to provide as much of my heat as possible Considering the average commute and the resulting pollution I would have to conclude that I'm doing alot more than alot of people to cut down on any potential contribution to warming the planet. But to be totally honest global warming was the least of my concerns when these decisions were made. It all came down to $. It always does and always will and that's a really good thing! If you want to persuade people to follow a course of action you have two options. Make it attractive in real, concrete terms, not some sky is falling hype. Or force them. Without getting into the ethical problems of anyone or any agency initiating force or threat of force, if you resort to force you have to be prepared to receive it in reply. It's human nature to hit back when hit. Think about the social implications of that.
I found the article interesting but it could have been more informative.
I'm from California, and used to drought conditions. 2000 years ago Death Valley used to be a 600 ft deep lake, but no one was around to mourn the loss or blame humans for its demise.
It's also hard to get all worked up about global warming when you live on the edge of two major tectonic plates, but I do my part, like xeriscaping my front and back yards and removing any water-guzzling lawn. It may not be as pretty, but that's irrelevant. I conserve electricity and gasoline when I can, but choose my battles and try to avoid becoming fanatical, self-loathing or preachy.
It's obviously an emotional issue for many, but certain things are common sense.
I'm from California, and used to drought conditions. 2000 years ago Death Valley used to be a 600 ft deep lake, but no one was around to mourn the loss or blame humans for its demise.
It's also hard to get all worked up about global warming when you live on the edge of two major tectonic plates, but I do my part, like xeriscaping my front and back yards and removing any water-guzzling lawn. It may not be as pretty, but that's irrelevant. I conserve electricity and gasoline when I can, but choose my battles and try to avoid becoming fanatical, self-loathing or preachy.
It's obviously an emotional issue for many, but certain things are common sense.
