good to know. I have had two spawnings of Rams in my 29 gallon that didn't make it. I have a PH of about 7.6. The water is considered hard water though I haven't had it tested. Since I don't pay a water bill and the only report online is almost 2 years old and kind of vague on the details of some of the particulars on GH and KH I was worried I wouldn't get any babies. I have apistos too but I don't expect to have any babies as they are in a community tank with tiger barbs.Conditions far from ideal? I'm assuming that you have hard and alkaline water, which the apistos can and will spawn in succesfully. This happens all the time with my rams and they have nearly complete fertilization, something that's not supposed to happen with fish that come from soft and acidic water.