Just to be as accurate as possible, because this is a joint USDA/NYS program, NYS actually quarantines and fines these guys. If there was no state entity at work, it would be the federal gov't taking care of that. The feds get involved, in this case, only if there is interstate movement of the quarantined material because, in addtion to being quarantined by the state to certain areas, the feds have further quarantined all host wood from the quarantine areas to NYS as a whole. You can, however, bring in as many host trees as you want. You can even ship them out, as long as they don't come from the quarantine.Like I said, I'll have to verify this with someone in PPQ. I'm just basing this assumption on what they do for landscapers working in the ALB quarantine (see above post....sorry to keep referring to this program. However, it's the same agency we're talking about here and it stands to reason that there is some continuity in their methods). These guys can't be caught with host material in the quarantine unless they have attended a compliance training.......blah blah blah
How is this statement a reference to hobbyists and not to everyone? In fact, upon permit approval, you submit yourself to inspections at any time and are required to include certain papers with shipments, including the original permit and the permit conditions, along with a statement warning the receiver to take precautions to prevent any intentional, subsequent commercial interstate movements of said item that the permit was issued for. You also are suppose to keep records of shipments for 2 years. Like you said "They have no way of tracking who's receiving them or where they are going..." so yeah, it would be dumb to let anyone sell them. Seems a better bet to get "Joe hobbyist" (me) on record (address etc...) with the option of dropping in for inspection than letting any chain store sell them to everyone, of which any one of them could just toss them into the local waterways....The Plant Protection Act states in Section 412 that the Secretary may prohibit or restrict the movement in interstate commerce of any noxious weed if the Secretary determines that the prohibition or restriction is necessary to prevent the introduction into the United States or the dissemination of the noxious weed within the United States . Accordingly, this application is denied."
Actually, yes, this is comparing apples to apples. The host species (of which there are 11 or 12) are the regulated items here, in addition to the beetle itself. It doesn't matter whether or not the wood is infested or shows no signs of infestation. It is all a possible vector for dispersal so it is regulated material. For legal purposes, it's much easier to regulate the trees than the beetle itself since the trees can't get up and fly away on you (with the exception of the odd hurricane or tornado). That's why, if you're caught moving wood out of the quarantine, you get hit with a fine for the wood. Otherwise, if it were strictly the beetle that was the regulated item, APHIS/NYSDAM would lose a lot of court battles since, most of the time, the wood being moved has no beetles in it. And, yes, violators do fight their violations in court.These ARE the pest species in question...not the host of the pest species. I'm not sure you're comparing apples to apples with the ALB/tree reference.
You're right. They don't issue permits. And they don't have to specify. Basically, they have no way of knowing what your buyer is going to do with the stuff so why would they give you a permit?"I regret to inform you that Plant Protection and Quarantine (PPQ) of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) does not issue permits for the interstate movement of
Hygrophila polysperma and Limnophila sessiliflora for use as aquarium plants." which doesn't specify "to hobbyists", and the closing.
I'd be interested to hear if there was a class on any of this.
Acutally, it happens all the time. Take a look at plenty of the lakes down South here. They are choked with invasives plant species. Or take a trip down to Florida where the tropical fish species are wiping out the native species.When is the last time anyone dumped a tank full of plants into a strean, river, or whatever ? What we need is some stupidity police - not plant police. :devil: Get a life