Auto-topoff system design ideas

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Alright I'm working on the design for my auto-topoff system. The tricky part is that the sump is too low to have its own drain, so I basically have to pump water out. I've come up with two different designs, and I'm not sure if it really matters which way I go, but I wanted to talk it out and see if there are any holes that I'm missing.

So the integral parts of the design will entail a solenoid valve to add water to the sump, a pump to remove water from the sump, a timer and a float switch.

The only variability in the two setups is which component is timed, and which component is switched.

My initial thought was, have the pump on a timer, and have it run for say, 2 minutes per day (or whatever). This will pump X gallons of water out over the duration. The float switch will control the solenoid, so as water begins to be removed, the switch energizes the solenoid and water begins to be added. If the switch fails closed, the sump overflows within a few minutes. If the switch fails open, water level in the sump slowly decreases because no new water is being added.

Second scenario - Have the pump on the float switch (reverse operation) and have the solenoid on a timer. The solenoid opens up for 2 minutes per day (or whatever) and adds X gallons of water. As the water level rises, the float switch energizes the pump and keeps the water level at a given height. If the switch fails closed, the pump drains the sump and burns out my pumps. If the switch fails open, the sump overflows eventually, unless I notice the water level rising daily.

The other variation is to not have a solenoid, but rather a constant drip system adding X gallons per day, and have the float switch operating in reverse mode so when the water level reaches a certain height, the pump energizes and removes some of the water. The only thing I'm uncertain about with this is how much of a window I can get with a float switch, I don't want the pump turning on to remove 1/4" of water, I would want to be able to set a range, say it turns on when the water is 8" high in the sump and turns off when the water is 4" high.

Anyway, sorry its so long, but any and all comments are welcome.
 
Do things via float switch, not via timer. Timers are going to spell disaster for you eventually.

The purpose of a top off is to fill what little has come down. Turning it on and off for a little amount of level is fine as long as you have your pump submerged and wet at all times.
 
oh yeah, totally. Stick with a float switch. They're fool-proof when set up right.
 
Well its more of an auto water change system than a top-off system. I think it was Rallysman that did a nice writeup on a constant drip system, so I'll use that for adding water, and use a float switch to energize a pump to remove the water and pump it outside. I just need a double-switched float valve so it starts pumping when the water is about 9" high in the sump and shuts off when the water is down to about 4" or so.

I'm picturing the drip system adding about 30-50 gallons a day, and setting the float valve so the pump runs maybe 4x per day to keep the level in the sump right. My sump is a 40gal breeder tank, so that would give me almost 24 hours to notice if the float valve stopped working for some reason and the pump wasn't removing water.
 
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