Betta Splendens Solution proved to give 95% males

Sounds like a gimmick to me. Personally, I would never waste my money on such a product. I cannot think of any way a product like that could affect the sex of the offspring. In general, I stick to products that make believable claims and that are made by reputable, well known companies.
 
Since they call it "M+" isn't this the same methyl testosterone that gives us our wonderful all-male shipments of dwarf gouramies and Singapore "male" Rams?

hmm. What if you don't wash it all off your hands as directed in the site? Does hair sprout from inside your ears?

A very curious peek behind the Betta curtain...
 
Testosterone, or possibly a concoction that alters the water chemistry? I don't know if bettas are on the list, but many fish have gender determined by water conditions and parameters, rather than by genes. And fish are not all--some birds, reptiles and amphibians have gender determined by outside factors as well. If bettas are in this group, it's entirely possible that the product performs as advertisd.
 
WetmanNY, Maybe that's why scientists are always so hairy:) I didn't know that testosterone could be so efficiently used to affect fish gender, but I guess if the concentrations are high enough, or even low enough...a whole new world of information just opened up to me!

Oriongirl, that was my initial thought cause I didn't know much about the 'drug' possibilities. Kribs from my own experience are always affected by higher pH's, but I still don't know if Bettas also are.

ok, two posts and I've already learned a hell of a lot. After reading Wetman's post, I did a google search and found some interesting stuff I'd like pass on to those interested.

I didn't know it's uses were that far-fetched since many fish farms use it, especially on Tilapia (only works for the pure line breeds).
A little of what I learned. Female tilapia grow slower than male tilapia, so scientists came up with a method of treating all of the tilapia fingerlings with male hormones so those fish that would have been female now turn out to be male. Then all of the fish in the growing tanks or ponds will be male, and the average growth rate will be higher than it would have been with half males and half females. Now even the US government supports the use of reversal techniques by allowing all of the tilapia hatcheries who wish it to participate in what is known as an INAD. This basically means they have the right to put chemicals into the food of the fish that are not yet cleared as being safe, as long as they send results in to the government.

And in general I'm in complete awe at what can be done. Hormones, testosterone, endocrinve, LH-RH, SPE, CPE, HCG, 17 alpha methyl testosterone, 17 beta estradiol, etc. etc. all are well used, and apparently at will, and still being tested. One company advertised products over the net and argued it could work for a variety of different fish, 'especially hormones synthesized in the laboratory can be utilized to induce sexual maturation, ovulation, and spermiation, produce all male, all female, or sterile stocks, induce metamorphosis, facilitate osmoregulation and accelerate growth in cultured finfish.' These drugs seem t be a huge aid to the profitability of aquaculture and the business, which ofcourse in some ways, is not a bad thing, or is it?

It is also used to produce a female stock http://www.fawc.org.uk/reports/fish/FISHR038.htm
Female-only technique This technique is used to produce female fish only, avoiding the production of males which perform poorly and which can become sexually mature in less than one year. To start the process the male hormone, methyl testosterone, is introduced into fry food; this turns all these fish into males. Those fish which would have been males anyway are identified by the presence of males in their subsequent offspring and they and their offspring are not used in production. On the other hand the male fish which, without the hormone treatment would have been females, produce only female offspring when mated with females. This technique is now commonly used and each year a small group of female fry is set aside for masculinisation so as to provide males for continuing the line. In effect the Y chromosome (male determining) has been eliminated from the stock.

To top it off Aquatext,The Free Online Aquaculture Dictionary says the following about hormones used on fish:

"Most countries however permit the use of hormones in potential brood fish that are not to be used for human consumption. Treated fish, which would otherwise have been female, cannot be stripped of sperm, and these fish are dissected and the milt used to fertilise eggs which results in the production of all female off spring. This is desirable in some species where the females mature later than the males, or grow larger, faster. The most common hormone used for masculinisation is 17a-methyl testosterone, which is used at a rate of between 1-60mg/kg feed for a period of between 25 and 100days following first feeding. The administration of very high levels will have the effect of sterilising the fish. The hormone is fully dissolved with ethyl alcohol prior to mixing with the feed. A more even mix can be achieved if the feed is spread out and the hormone sprayed onto the feed. After mixing the food is dried to allow the ethyl alcohol to evaporate off before feeding it to the fish. The feed can be stored in a freezer for later use."

Pretty soon we're gonna be pressing a button to get our fish to be 'the way' we want them :)
 
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Among the hormones that induce gonad maturation for induced spawning in fish, Argent Labs offer the following:

Alpha Methyl Testosterone

Formulated for fisheries use, 17 Alpha Methyl Testosterone is used in sex-reversal studies to produce more male fish (up to 100%) than is expected in a standard population. It has also been used to produce all sterile fish. Applied to the feed or directly into culture waters. Effective dosages may vary according to species.


Argent Labs have been supplying chemistry for aquaculture since the 1970s.

Sometimes you may hear shocked denials that our aquarium fish could be artificially "juiced" to produce all male broods or to bring on adult coloration in juveniles to make them marketable.

But now ya know!

BTW OrionGirl you're right. In fact, no teleost fish has a gene for its gender. No reptile or amphibian either. A series of mutations in the ancestors of mammals back in the Permian or Triassic, and a separate mutation in the saurischian dinosaur line that led to all birds-- but probably not of ornithiscian dinosaurs, linked gender to a chromosome. (Was this in Scientific American or in Natural History? It was last year i remember...)

do I get geek points for this post huh do I huh huh?

puff puff... googlin' right along behind ya, Tim Bo... can't seem to catch up...
 
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Wetman, you crack me up. :) I have been googling like never before and low and behold, I look at your recent post and it says,
puff puff... googlin' right along behind ya, Tim Bo... can't seem to catch up...

I'm in the process of looking up info on Rams and drug influences on reproduction (will be asking the LFS' tomorrow) but only come up with sheep and rams (apparently a lot of those horned woblers are homosexuals, go figure) or I end up getting a link to a porn site. Suddenly the word Ram has a whole new meaning...
 
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Wasn't sure if it was applicable to all teleosts or not, and hesitated to use the term without certainty. I do know that our hatcheries have discovered that the pH of the water during fertilization impacts the semen and roe of trout, which in terms dictates the primary gender of the spawn (an no, I don't recall exactly which way it goes--the whole line of research began last year when I asked what pH roe/semen were, based on a question that was raised onhere...Talk about ripples!).

Sorry wetmanNY, but caring about things that have a valid use does not make one a geek. Cool looking rocks, yes.

:D
 
Only way to know if it works for sure would be for a betta breeder to buy some and try it, and let us know of the results.

As stated in an earlier post, reptiles, such as Leopard Geckos, there sex is determined be the temperature that the eggs are incubated at. I had bred them for 3 years. Here's a page I made about them. (Can you figure were my name came from?)

http://www.geocities.com/elgecko1989/geckos.html
 
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